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    Quote Originally Posted by Genetique View Post
    To me it seems that these areas were less romanized that "Alsace" or the Vosges, surprisingly. They are more southern geographically but actually in my area there was few roman cities for example.

    It's because the mentionned regions are less ruged and hostile to settlements. Alsace has very fertile plains actually.

    (On peut parler en français si tu veux !)
    L'Alsace a été complètement dépeuplée à la chute de l'Empire romain et repeuplée par les Alamans.
    Lors de la guerre de Trente ans il y a eu de nouvelles saignées dans toute la région. Les populations actuelles de l'Alsace ont probablement des racines suisses, savoyardes, tyroliennes, voire italiennes du nord. Sans compter des Juifs convertis et assimilés (en petit nombre certes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Merci Helgi!


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    Fit: 1.3008

    England_Roman: 71.6
    Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna: 10.8
    Iberia_East_IA:8.8
    Iberia_North_CA: 3.8
    Hallstatt_BylanyA111: 3.6
    Hallstatt_BylanyA112: 1.4
    JMcB, you have 6.25 % of Italian ancestry right?, which part of Italy exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    L'Alsace a été complètement dépeuplée à la chute de l'Empire romain et repeuplée par les Alamans.
    Lors de la guerre de Trente ans il y a eu de nouvelles saignées dans toute la région. Les populations actuelles de l'Alsace ont probablement des racines suisses, savoyardes, tyroliennes, voire italiennes du nord. Sans compter des Juifs convertis et assimilés (en petit nombre certes).
    Intéressant !

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    Helgenes, si tu as le temps, pourrais-tu tester sur les coordonnées de mes parents (père Limousin / mère Bourgogne-Rhône) ?
    Merci beaucoup !

    Code:
    Fitis_Mom_scaled,0.127482,0.137096,0.048271,0.011628,0.040623,0.002789,0.000235,0.001385,0.012067,0.021504,-0.00747,0.004496,-0.011447,-0.016239,0.005022,0.011403,0.008084,0.003167,0.001634,0.003126,0.002995,0.001978,-0.000123,0.006507,-0.000239
    Code:
    Fitis_Father_scaled,0.126344,0.148267,0.050911,0.017442,0.040623,0.003626,0.005405,0.007846,0.022089,0.025331,-0.001461,0.007044,-0.013231,-0.01156,0.009772,-0.001193,-0.008866,0.005194,-0.002011,0.004252,0.002496,-0.000989,0.005546,0.005302,-0.005269

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstephan View Post
    C'est ton côté Lorrain qui te donne moins d'England au profit du Sweden tu penses ?
    A mon humble avis, le "Sweden" doit amalgamer en partie du Celte. Comme dit Ruderico, en utilisant un autre proxy, on devrait pouvoir trouver une résultat un peu plus équilibré.

    Je vous avais poser la question mais je n'avais pas eu la réponse : A quoi correspond Iberia_East_IA ?
    50% Breton - 50% Mosellan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitis View Post
    Helgenes, si tu as le temps, pourrais-tu tester sur les coordonnées de mes parents (père Limousin / mère Bourgogne-Rhône) ?
    Merci beaucoup !

    Code:
    Fitis_Mom_scaled,0.127482,0.137096,0.048271,0.011628,0.040623,0.002789,0.000235,0.001385,0.012067,0.021504,-0.00747,0.004496,-0.011447,-0.016239,0.005022,0.011403,0.008084,0.003167,0.001634,0.003126,0.002995,0.001978,-0.000123,0.006507,-0.000239
    Code:
    Fitis_Father_scaled,0.126344,0.148267,0.050911,0.017442,0.040623,0.003626,0.005405,0.007846,0.022089,0.025331,-0.001461,0.007044,-0.013231,-0.01156,0.009772,-0.001193,-0.008866,0.005194,-0.002011,0.004252,0.002496,-0.000989,0.005546,0.005302,-0.005269
    Avec son accord, voilà le tableau des résultats pour tout les échantillons de ma base french :
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q1Z...ew?usp=sharing
    tes parents y sont Fitis
    Et le PCA qui va avec :
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EMr...ew?usp=sharing

    Le summary est très correct, les emplacements de chacun très cohérents, l'étirement vers les Englo-Roman est sans doute dû à la sur-représentation des populations armoricaines (et quelques anglais) et bien sûr cet étirement à tendance à aplatir les écarts.

    Même s'il est un peu confus, voilà le PCA de la période romaine (Latin/Impérium/late) jevous conseille plus de vous référer aux PCA spécifiques, mais bon, ça donne une idée
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uqF...ew?usp=sharing
    Last edited by fabrice E; 11-11-2019 at 08:37 PM.

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    Super, merci Fabrice !

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    @Fab, d'où vient GeneLej?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    @Fab, d'où vient GeneLej?
    Une vendéenne, mais une fort mixte avec un possible Italien du nord/nordEst dans son ascendance récente.
    Ses résultats nmonte et pca étant anormaux, elle a fouillé dans l'histoire familiale et découvert unarrière grand-père "inconnu" (En réalité une tromperie avec un homme de passage).....A partir de ses divers résultats je soupçonne donc un italien.
    Je la modélise très bien avec 45% du sudOuest 25% d'Auvergat, environ 11% de Galice et environ 10% d'Italien plutôt Nord Est tirant vers la Vénétie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Je rêvais de pouvoir obtenir des fits convaincants et proches de la réalité pour moi en utilisant seulement des individus anciens... Ce jour est enfin arrivé

    Very elegant!
    When I also offered it DEU_MA, it completely ignored England_Roman for me!

    Target: Dewsloth_scaled
    Distance: 0.8085% / 0.00808463
    Aggregated
    73.4 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    21.0 DEU_MA
    5.6 England_IA

    Just your three:
    Target: Dewsloth_scaled
    Distance: 0.9231% / 0.00923128
    Aggregated
    76.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    16.8 England_Roman
    7.2 England_IA



    A bit more messy, running wild:
     
    Target: Dewsloth_scaled
    Distance: 0.3520% / 0.00351995
    Aggregated
    17.6 DEU_MA
    12.2 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
    11.4 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    7.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    6.8 Levant_ISR_C
    6.0 DEU_LBK_N
    5.8 TKM_Gonur1_BA
    5.6 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
    4.4 England_CA_EBA
    4.0 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
    2.8 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
    2.4 Bell_Beaker_CHE
    2.2 DEU_MA_ACD
    2.0 ITA_Collegno_MA
    1.4 HUN_Starcevo_N
    1.0 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
    1.0 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.8 England_Saxon
    0.6 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    0.4 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    0.4 ARM_LBA
    0.4 HUN_LBK_MN
    0.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
    0.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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