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    Cool R1b-BY168

    BY168 is a SNP newly discovered by FTDNA to be between FGC5572 and BY166 (Z18021), like so:

    M207 > M173 > M343 > L754 > L389 > P297 > M269 > L23 > L51 > P310 > L151 > P312 > Z290 > L21

    > DF13 > Z39589 > DF41 > FGC5572 > BY168 > BY166 (Z18021).

    Another newly discovered SNP, this one downstream of BY168 and parallel to BY166, is FT115269, like so (just to make things obvious):

    M207 > M173 > M343 > L754 > L389 > P297 > M269 > L23 > L51 > P310 > L151 > P312 > Z290 > L21

    > DF13 > Z39589 > DF41 > FGC5572 > BY168 > FT115269.

    This is really interesting to me, since my terminal SNP is downstream of BY166 (Z18021), and up until just recently BY168, BY170, and BY171 were part of the BY166 block. Now those three SNPs form a block just upstream of BY166 and FT115269.

    I really would like to find out who else besides our group of BY166+ guys is BY168+.

    I made this simplified tree, with, in most cases, single SNPs representing large blocks of SNPs. The red arrows indicate the fact that there are men currently occupying those positions who should eventually get SNP results further downstream.

    R1b-BY168 Tree.jpg
    Last edited by rms2; 11-10-2019 at 04:13 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY168> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    Found the two guys who are BY168>FT115269: surname Hudson, kits 32075 and 121052, readily visible on the public website of the R1b-DF41 Project.

    Their haplotypes are not in the 41-1123 haplotype cluster, which is characterized by BY168>BY166 (aka Z18021).

    I'll run the SAPP tool on all this when I get the chance.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY168> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    I ran all the members of the R1b-BY166 and Subclades Project with at least 111 STR markers through the SAPP Tool with the two Hudsons mentioned above. Interesting stuff.

    SAPP gives a tmrca for BY168 of c. 650 BC, with a range of 850-500 BC. That makes sense, because the Hudson haplotypes, which are BY168+ but BY166-, are quite distant from the BY168>BY166+ haplotypes, with a range of 23-36 off at 111 markers.

    It supplied a tmrca for BY166 (aka Z18021) of c. 1450 AD, with a range of 1250-1650 AD. That makes sense, as well, since that predates the adoption of permanent surnames in Wales but is also recent enough to account for the relatively tight haplotype cluster within the BY166 subclade.

    If the SAPP tool is right, BY168 could eventually show up in Iron Age and later samples, probably among British Celts.
    Last edited by rms2; 11-30-2019 at 07:56 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY168> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    I revised my BY168 tree to include some of the tmrcas from the SAPP run and to make it look a little nicer.

    R1b-BY168 Tree.jpg
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY168> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Found the two guys who are BY168>FT115269: surname Hudson, kits 32075 and 121052, readily visible on the public website of the R1b-DF41 Project.

    Their haplotypes are not in the 41-1123 haplotype cluster, which is characterized by BY168>BY166 (aka Z18021).

    I'll run the SAPP tool on all this when I get the chance.
    Rich,

    Do you know where these Hudson lineages originate?
    yDNA: R1b-BY17850 (Ulster Scots/Lowland Scotland)
    Maternal grandfather (MDKA: Johannes Nicholas Schaefer, Germany) - yDNA: R1b-U106, mtDNA: T2b
    Maternal grandmother (MDKA: Angelina Centrella, Avellino, Campania, Italia) - mtDNA: HV4a1


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopfjäger View Post
    Rich,

    Do you know where these Hudson lineages originate?
    They can only get as far as North Carolina in the 18th century, but each man has a separate y-dna mdka, and they are three off each other at 111 markers.

    From what I have read, the surname is most common in Yorkshire.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY168> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    This stuff is fun and has been for years now. Worth every penny. And I’ve been really blessed with a lot of good, informative matches and even a couple of major miracles.

    Sitting out on my backyard deck right now smoking a salmon and baking some potatoes on my grill/smoker, even though it’s cold as hell and wet. I’m fortified with brandy and Guinness, however, so I’m feeling no weather. Just feeling grateful to God for all my genetic testing blessings, which are many.
    Last edited by rms2; 12-01-2019 at 09:47 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY168> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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