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    North sea populations using G25.

    I wonder if anyone else has been successful in modeling north sea ancestry correctly using G25? As for my family and others, like Finn from the Netherlands, the results seem way off. So I am wondering if anyone has been able to figure out a method to make it more reflective of actual ancestry.

    The biggest problem that I face is that the G25 Norwegian samples seems to be eastern Norwegians, which means that they are closer to central Swedes than they are to western Norwegians like myself.

    Another is that tiny island populations such as Icelanders and Shetlanders etc, which have contributed next to nothing to the modern day Norwegian gene pool, fill in the void where other samples should be, such as Danes, and western Norwegians etc. Simply because they have experienced an influx of DNA from Scandinavia, but G25 appear unable to differentiate between direction of geneflow, so according to G25 Iceland was a major contributor to western Norwegian ancestry, when it was the other way around, with Iceland being settled largely by western Norwegians.. I should note that I have one or two Icelandic ancestors in my family tree, but they are back in the 13-1400's, so it is unlikely that I have inherited any DNA from them..

    Other populations that have experienced an influx of Scandinavian ancestry also take on this role, such as Ireland and UK in general, and again G25 appear unable to detect geneflow direction correctly. Although there has certainly been some movement of peoples to Scandinavia from UK, and western Norway saw allot of migration from Scotland in particular during the 1500-1600.

    Anyways, I will add my family's scaled G25 results with pen=0.001 using nMonte to highlight the problem:

    Pop avg:


    Me:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic Swedish Norwegian Orcadian Scottish Dutch Irish English
    1.611095 1.954234 2.072128 2.310496 2.342305 2.350039 2.445355 2.465628

    Icelandic,70.4
    Swedish,18
    Norwegian,2.8
    Welsh,1.8
    English_Cornwall,1.2
    Basque_Spanish,0.8
    English,0.8
    Estonian,0.6
    Irish,0.6
    Basque_French,0.4
    Cossack_Kuban,0.4
    French_Brittany,0.4
    Latvian,0.4
    Lithuanian_PZ,0.4
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Scottish,0.2
    Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.2
    Spanish_Cataluna,0.2


    Granny:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Norwegian Icelandic Swedish Dutch Shetlandic Scottish Orcadian
    1.451742 1.566638 1.651092 1.851419 1.945581 2.044468 2.092100
    Irish
    2.181008

    Norwegian,45.2
    Icelandic,21.8
    Shetlandic,9.6
    Dutch,5.8
    Swedish,5.6
    Irish,3.8
    Lithuanian_PZ,1.2
    Lithuanian_RA,0.8
    Scottish,0.8
    Lithuanian_PA,0.6
    Czech,0.4
    Estonian,0.4
    Latvian,0.4
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.4
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.4
    Polish,0.4
    Russian_Kursk,0.4
    Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.4
    Cossack_Kuban,0.2
    Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige_o,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Orcadian,0.2
    Russian_Smolensk,0.2
    Russian_Tver,0.2
    Slovakian,0.2
    Vepsian,0.2




    Non-pop avg:

    Me:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic:NA15765 Swedish:Sweden7 Swedish:Sweden9 Swedish:Sweden10
    1.863943 1.909321 1.986079 2.164583
    Icelandic:NA15761 Icelandic:NA15759 Icelandic:NA15757 Welsh:WAL004
    2.225100 2.308368 2.339990 2.360385

    Icelandic,36
    Swedish,22.6
    Irish,11
    Dutch,5.8
    German,4.2
    Welsh,3.4
    English,3.2
    English_Cornwall,3.2
    French_Brittany,2.6
    Orcadian,2
    Scottish,1.8
    Estonian,0.4
    Finnish,0.4
    French,0.4
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.4
    Norwegian,0.4
    Austrian,0.2
    Basque_Spanish,0.2
    Czech,0.2
    Karelian,0.2
    Latvian,0.2
    Lithuanian_PA,0.2
    Lithuanian_PZ,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Shetlandic,0.2
    Ukrainian,0.2
    Vepsian,0.2


    Granny:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Swedish:Sweden9 Swedish:Sweden1 Icelandic:NA15757 Norwegian:NOR108
    1.966395 2.194601 2.196208 2.201234
    English:English2 Scottish:Scottish27 Swedish:Sweden10 Icelandic:NA15765
    2.276021 2.285672 2.287206 2.290391

    Irish,15.2
    Icelandic,14.8
    Scottish,11.2
    Norwegian,11
    Swedish,10.8
    Dutch,8
    Welsh,6.8
    German,5.8
    Shetlandic,2.2
    English,2
    English_Cornwall,1.8
    Lithuanian_PZ,1.4
    Karelian,1
    Lithuanian_SZ,1
    Finnish,0.8
    Orcadian,0.8
    Estonian,0.6
    Vepsian,0.6
    Belarusian,0.4
    Russian_Kursk,0.4
    Russian_Voronez,0.4
    Ukrainian,0.4
    Czech,0.2
    Finnish_East,0.2
    French,0.2
    Ingrian,0.2
    Latvian,0.2
    Lithuanian_PA,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.2
    Mordovian,0.2
    Polish,0.2
    Russian_Orel,0.2
    Russian_Pinega,0.2
    Russian_Tver,0.2


    My grandmothers general eastern shift is likely due to non-Norwegian ancestry, which is why she matches the Norwegian samples in place of Iceland much of the time. For the record, our only non-Norwegian ancestry after 1800 is, Swedish, possible south Saami and Finnish, (I have some lines via my fathers side that is not shared with my grandmother) Norwegian Travelers (Skøyere on my maternal grandfathers side, so not on my grandmothers side) and Norwegian Romani (I think I remembered them all).

    It would be great if others from around the north sea could post their results to compare, so maybe we can start to see a pattern emerge..

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    I will try to post unscaled results tomorrow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    I wonder if anyone else has been successful in modeling north sea ancestry correctly using G25? As for my family and others, like Finn from the Netherlands, the results seem way off. So I am wondering if anyone has been able to figure out a method to make it more reflective of actual ancestry.

    The biggest problem that I face is that the G25 Norwegian samples seems to be eastern Norwegians, which means that they are closer to central Swedes than they are to western Norwegians like myself.

    Another is that tiny island populations such as Icelanders and Shetlanders etc, which have contributed next to nothing to the modern day Norwegian gene pool, fill in the void where other samples should be, such as Danes, and western Norwegians etc. Simply because they have experienced an influx of DNA from Scandinavia, but G25 appear unable to differentiate between direction of geneflow, so according to G25 Iceland was a major contributor to western Norwegian ancestry, when it was the other way around, with Iceland being settled largely by western Norwegians.. I should note that I have one or two Icelandic ancestors in my family tree, but they are back in the 13-1400's, so it is unlikely that I have inherited any DNA from them..

    Other populations that have experienced an influx of Scandinavian ancestry also take on this role, such as Ireland and UK in general, and again G25 appear unable to detect geneflow direction correctly. Although there has certainly been some movement of peoples to Scandinavia from UK, and western Norway saw allot of migration from Scotland in particular during the 1500-1600.

    Anyways, I will add my family's scaled G25 results with pen=0.001 using nMonte to highlight the problem:

    Pop avg:


    Me:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic Swedish Norwegian Orcadian Scottish Dutch Irish English
    1.611095 1.954234 2.072128 2.310496 2.342305 2.350039 2.445355 2.465628

    Icelandic,70.4
    Swedish,18
    Norwegian,2.8
    Welsh,1.8
    English_Cornwall,1.2
    Basque_Spanish,0.8
    English,0.8
    Estonian,0.6
    Irish,0.6
    Basque_French,0.4
    Cossack_Kuban,0.4
    French_Brittany,0.4
    Latvian,0.4
    Lithuanian_PZ,0.4
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Scottish,0.2
    Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.2
    Spanish_Cataluna,0.2


    Granny:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Norwegian Icelandic Swedish Dutch Shetlandic Scottish Orcadian
    1.451742 1.566638 1.651092 1.851419 1.945581 2.044468 2.092100
    Irish
    2.181008

    Norwegian,45.2
    Icelandic,21.8
    Shetlandic,9.6
    Dutch,5.8
    Swedish,5.6
    Irish,3.8
    Lithuanian_PZ,1.2
    Lithuanian_RA,0.8
    Scottish,0.8
    Lithuanian_PA,0.6
    Czech,0.4
    Estonian,0.4
    Latvian,0.4
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.4
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.4
    Polish,0.4
    Russian_Kursk,0.4
    Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.4
    Cossack_Kuban,0.2
    Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige_o,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Orcadian,0.2
    Russian_Smolensk,0.2
    Russian_Tver,0.2
    Slovakian,0.2
    Vepsian,0.2




    Non-pop avg:

    Me:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic:NA15765 Swedish:Sweden7 Swedish:Sweden9 Swedish:Sweden10
    1.863943 1.909321 1.986079 2.164583
    Icelandic:NA15761 Icelandic:NA15759 Icelandic:NA15757 Welsh:WAL004
    2.225100 2.308368 2.339990 2.360385

    Icelandic,36
    Swedish,22.6
    Irish,11
    Dutch,5.8
    German,4.2
    Welsh,3.4
    English,3.2
    English_Cornwall,3.2
    French_Brittany,2.6
    Orcadian,2
    Scottish,1.8
    Estonian,0.4
    Finnish,0.4
    French,0.4
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.4
    Norwegian,0.4
    Austrian,0.2
    Basque_Spanish,0.2
    Czech,0.2
    Karelian,0.2
    Latvian,0.2
    Lithuanian_PA,0.2
    Lithuanian_PZ,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Shetlandic,0.2
    Ukrainian,0.2
    Vepsian,0.2


    Granny:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Swedish:Sweden9 Swedish:Sweden1 Icelandic:NA15757 Norwegian:NOR108
    1.966395 2.194601 2.196208 2.201234
    English:English2 Scottish:Scottish27 Swedish:Sweden10 Icelandic:NA15765
    2.276021 2.285672 2.287206 2.290391

    Irish,15.2
    Icelandic,14.8
    Scottish,11.2
    Norwegian,11
    Swedish,10.8
    Dutch,8
    Welsh,6.8
    German,5.8
    Shetlandic,2.2
    English,2
    English_Cornwall,1.8
    Lithuanian_PZ,1.4
    Karelian,1
    Lithuanian_SZ,1
    Finnish,0.8
    Orcadian,0.8
    Estonian,0.6
    Vepsian,0.6
    Belarusian,0.4
    Russian_Kursk,0.4
    Russian_Voronez,0.4
    Ukrainian,0.4
    Czech,0.2
    Finnish_East,0.2
    French,0.2
    Ingrian,0.2
    Latvian,0.2
    Lithuanian_PA,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.2
    Mordovian,0.2
    Polish,0.2
    Russian_Orel,0.2
    Russian_Pinega,0.2
    Russian_Tver,0.2


    My grandmothers general eastern shift is likely due to non-Norwegian ancestry, which is why she matches the Norwegian samples in place of Iceland much of the time. For the record, our only non-Norwegian ancestry after 1800 is, Swedish, possible south Saami and Finnish, (I have some lines via my fathers side that is not shared with my grandmother) Norwegian Travelers (Skøyere on my maternal grandfathers side, so not on my grandmothers side) and Norwegian Romani (I think I remembered them all).

    It would be great if others from around the north sea could post their results to compare, so maybe we can start to see a pattern emerge..
    Same with unscaled data:

    Pop avg:

    Me:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic Swedish Welsh Dutch English Norwegian Orcadian Scottish
    1.010446 1.268846 1.307649 1.342061 1.358977 1.400560 1.414001 1.429206

    Icelandic,79
    Swedish,6
    Welsh,3.2
    Norwegian,2
    English,1.6
    Finnish_East,1.6
    Karelian,0.8
    Estonian,0.6
    French,0.6
    Irish,0.6
    Basque_Spanish,0.4
    French_Brittany,0.4
    Ingrian,0.4
    Slovakian,0.4
    Spanish_Navarra,0.4
    Belarusian,0.2
    Czech,0.2
    Dutch,0.2
    English_Cornwall,0.2
    Finnish,0.2
    German,0.2
    Russian_Pinega,0.2
    Spanish_Castello,0.2
    Spanish_La_Rioja,0.2
    Vepsian,0.2



    Grandmother:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Norwegian Dutch Icelandic Swedish Scottish Shetlandic Welsh
    0.9937388 1.0665199 1.1112279 1.1394703 1.2625826 1.2650466 1.3349663
    Irish
    1.3503138

    Norwegian,50.4
    Icelandic,16
    Swedish,10.6
    Shetlandic,8
    Irish,4.4
    Dutch,2.4
    Finnish,1.4
    Czech,1.2
    Estonian,0.6
    Finnish_East,0.6
    Cossack_Kuban,0.4
    Italian_Northeast_o,0.4
    Karelian,0.4
    Russian_Kostroma,0.4
    Balochi,0.2
    Ingrian,0.2
    Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige_o,0.2
    Jatt_Pathak,0.2
    Ju_hoan_North,0.2
    Latvian,0.2
    Lithuanian_RA,0.2
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Russian_Orel,0.2
    Russian_Smolensk,0.2
    Russian_Tver,0.2
    Slovakian,0.2
    Tajik_Rushan,0.2


    My grandmothers south Asian "pull" is actually much more visible in the unscaled pop avg data. While my southern "pull" seems more diverse with the unscaled data. So in a way they seem more correct than the scaled data, although the closest pop matching seems worse for me, where Norwegian is the 6th pop on my list.

    non-pop avg:

    Me:
     


    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic:NA15759 Swedish:Sweden7
    1.187518 1.246194
    Welsh:WalesL44 Swedish:Sweden9
    1.354585 1.366016
    Icelandic:NA15765 French_Brittany:French24400
    1.381412 1.393772
    Dutch:Netherlands21 Icelandic:NA15755
    1.405276 1.418097

    Icelandic,33.4
    Dutch,13.2
    Swedish,10.8
    German,10.6
    Irish,8.4
    French_Brittany,5.4
    Welsh,4.2
    English,2.2
    Scottish,2.2
    French,1.8
    Finnish,1.2
    Orcadian,1.2
    Karelian,0.8
    English_Cornwall,0.6
    Finnish_East,0.6
    Norwegian,0.6
    Vepsian,0.4
    Basque_French,0.2
    Belgian,0.2
    Czech,0.2
    Estonian,0.2
    German_East,0.2
    Latvian,0.2
    Lithuanian_SZ,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Mlabri,0.2
    Russian_Smolensk,0.2
    Saami,0.2
    Shetlandic,0.2


    Grandmother:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic:NA15764 Icelandic:NA15757 English_Cornwall:HG00243
    1.334391 1.356245 1.370365
    Icelandic:NA15759 English:English2 Irish:Irish50
    1.371131 1.372771 1.396710
    Swedish:Sweden9 English_Cornwall:HG00259
    1.399214 1.441215

    Irish,23.4
    Icelandic,16
    German,11
    Dutch,8.6
    Swedish,7.6
    Welsh,7.4
    Scottish,7
    Norwegian,5.8
    English,2.4
    Shetlandic,2.4
    Finnish,1.4
    Orcadian,1.2
    Polish,1
    Finnish_East,0.6
    Karelian,0.6
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.4
    Austrian,0.2
    Belarusian,0.2
    Czech,0.2
    English_Cornwall,0.2
    Estonian,0.2
    French_East,0.2
    Hungarian,0.2
    Latvian,0.2
    Lithuanian_RA,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2
    Russian_Kursk,0.2
    Russian_Tver,0.2
    Sakha,0.2
    Udmurt,0.2
    Ukrainian,0.2
    Vepsian,0.2



    the un-pop avg data seems the worst so far.

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    I'm not really North sea but hopefully others will add their info. I've always thought my getting Iceland was due to the Gaelic element but I'm only guessing.

    This is using the Runner. I haven't used R yet.

    "sample": "Test1:Jessie_scaled",
    "fit": 1.7529,
    "Icelandic": 30.83,
    "Irish": 22.5,
    "Orcadian": 15,
    "Scottish": 9.17,
    "Welsh": 7.5,
    "Norwegian": 5.83,
    "Swedish": 5,
    "French_Brittany": 2.5,
    "English": 1.67,

    This is with ancients. That might possibly offer a clue to some differences.

    "sample": "Test1:Jessie_scaled",
    "fit": 1.6417,
    "England_Saxon": 23.33,
    "Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale": 13.33,
    "England_Roman": 13.33,
    "FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o": 8.33,
    "Wales_CA_EBA": 8.33,
    "CZE_Starounetice_EBA": 5.83,
    "England_IA": 5,
    "Bell_Beaker_Scotland": 4.17,
    "USA_colonial_period": 4.17,
    "ITA_Collegno_MA": 2.5,
    "Scotland_LBA": 2.5,
    "Bell_Beaker_England_EBA": 1.67,
    "CZE_Bilina_BA": 1.67,
    "England_MBA": 1.67,
    "CZE_Unetice_EBA": 0.83,
    "DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN": 0.83,
    "England_EMBA": 0.83,
    "Levant_LBN_MA_Euro": 0.83,
    "UKR_N_o": 0.83,

    This is with Vahaduo

    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.6928% / 0.01692755
    Aggregated
    48.6 Irish
    48.4 Icelandic
    1.0 Adygei
    1.0 Cossack_Kuban
    0.4 Basque_Spanish
    0.4 Swedish
    0.2 Welsh

    Distance to: Jessie_scaled
    0.01875615 Irish
    0.01914452 Icelandic
    0.01963632 Scottish
    0.01980300 Orcadian
    0.02206228 English
    0.02219810 Welsh
    0.02336456 Norwegian
    0.02443077 French_Brittany
    0.02454052 English_Cornwall
    0.02458960 Dutch
    0.02493577 Shetlandic
    0.02659290 Swedish
    0.02913138 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    0.03333011 German
    0.04070340 Belgian
    0.04377645 German_East
    0.04383614 French_Nord
    0.04754192 Austrian
    0.04759052 French_Alsace
    0.04761548 French_Paris
    0.04816810 Czech
    0.04844797 Welsh_o
    0.05029695 Swiss_German
    0.05444134 Hungarian
    0.05810468 French_Occitanie

    I cannot get the non-averaged sheet to work in either tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    I cannot get the non-averaged sheet to work in either tools.
    If you PM me your scaled and un-scaled coordinates I will run you in R when I have time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    If you PM me your scaled and un-scaled coordinates I will run you in R when I have time..
    I can put them here. Thank you that would be great.

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Jessie_scaled,0.138864,0.136081,0.064488,0.052003, 0.036314,0.017291,0.001645,0.006231,0.004909,-0.00328,-0.009094,0.004646,-0.011298,-0.009771,0.029994,0.005701,-0.007041,-0.004434,0.000377,0.007879,0.007112,0.007296,-0.005793,0.010845,-0.000479


    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Jessie_unscaled,0.0122,0.0134,0.0171,0.0161,0.0118 ,0.0062,0.0007,0.0027,0.0024,-0.0018,-0.0056,0.0031,-0.0076,-0.0071,0.0221,0.0043,-0.0054,-0.0035,0.0003,0.0063,0.0057,0.0059,-0.0047,0.009,-0.0004

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  12. #7
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    U5b1b1(T16192C)
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-U152
    mtDNA (P)
    H13a1a

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    I can put them here. Thank you that would be great.

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Jessie_scaled,0.138864,0.136081,0.064488,0.052003, 0.036314,0.017291,0.001645,0.006231,0.004909,-0.00328,-0.009094,0.004646,-0.011298,-0.009771,0.029994,0.005701,-0.007041,-0.004434,0.000377,0.007879,0.007112,0.007296,-0.005793,0.010845,-0.000479


    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Jessie_unscaled,0.0122,0.0134,0.0171,0.0161,0.0118 ,0.0062,0.0007,0.0027,0.0024,-0.0018,-0.0056,0.0031,-0.0076,-0.0071,0.0221,0.0043,-0.0054,-0.0035,0.0003,0.0063,0.0057,0.0059,-0.0047,0.009,-0.0004
    Non-pop avg:

    Unscaled:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic:NA15765 Welsh:WalesL44 English_Cornwall:HG00243
    1.138376 1.220778 1.332779
    Irish:Irish51 Dutch:Netherlands11 English_Cornwall:HG00259
    1.415133 1.417216 1.440798
    Orcadian:HGDP00804 Icelandic:NA15759
    1.465230 1.480405

    Irish,29.8
    Icelandic,20.8
    Dutch,15.2
    Scottish,12.4
    Welsh,4.4
    Orcadian,4
    Swedish,2.8
    English,2.6
    Norwegian,2.4
    German,1.8
    English_Cornwall,1.6
    French_Brittany,1.4
    Karachay,0.4
    French,0.2
    Tajik_Rushan,0.2



    Pop avg :

    Unscaled:
     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic Scottish Irish Orcadian
    1.208832 1.282204 1.286989 1.320363
    Welsh English English_Cornwall Dutch
    1.343240 1.372627 1.447691 1.449887

    Icelandic,65.4
    Irish,19.4
    French_Brittany,9.8
    Orcadian,1.8
    Welsh,1.4
    Scottish,1.2
    Chechen,0.2
    Darginian,0.2
    Ethiopian_Anuak,0.2
    Kubachinian,0.2
    Tabasaran,0.2


    Scaled:

    non pop avg:
     
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Icelandic:NA15765 English_Cornwall:HG00243 Orcadian:HGDP00803
    2.080582 2.084128 2.224834
    Irish:Irish44 Irish:Irish50 Irish:Irish51
    2.233404 2.239239 2.245942
    Welsh:WAL001 Orcadian:HGDP00797
    2.247733 2.254768

    Irish,38.6
    Icelandic,21
    Scottish,11
    Orcadian,7
    Dutch,4.8
    Welsh,4.4
    English_Cornwall,3.8
    Norwegian,3.6
    German,2
    Swedish,1.6
    English,1
    French_Brittany,1
    Karelian,0.2


    pop avg:

     

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Irish Icelandic Scottish Orcadian English
    1.875615 1.914452 1.963632 1.980300 2.206228
    Welsh Norwegian French_Brittany
    2.219810 2.336456 2.359022

    Irish,50
    Icelandic,44.8
    Swedish,1.6
    French_Brittany,1.2
    Orcadian,0.8
    Welsh,0.8
    Scottish,0.4
    Kaitag,0.2
    Lithuanian_VA,0.2


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  14. #8
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    Thanks for doing this. I'm sure more people will add their results to this thread. Just looking at some of the different populations your family get more Baltic which is not surprising. There doesn't seem to be many Scandinavians here so it is difficult to compare. It would be interesting to see a few more results.
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    Garimund,0.0104,0.014,0.0161,0.0117,0.0141,0.0028,-0.0005,0.0037,0.0061,0.0076,-0.0028,0.0038,-0.0097,-0.0052,0.0194,-0.0054,-0.0103,0.005,-0.0002,0.0013,0.0062,0.0052,-0.0056,-0.003,-0.005

    Garimund_scaled,0.118376,0.142174,0.060716,0.03779 1,0.043393,0.007809,-0.001175,0.008538,0.012476,0.01385,-0.004547,0.005695,-0.01442,-0.007156,0.02633,-0.00716,-0.01343,0.006334,-0.000251,0.001626,0.007736,0.00643,-0.006902,-0.003615,-0.005987

    If you have time, thanks!
    My ancestry is basically English and Ulster with some old Huguenot ancestry and some colonial era German-Palatinates.
    Most runs with modern pops I seem to always come out Orcadian and Basque.
    AncestryDNA results:
    England, Wales, & NW Europe 73%
    Ireland & Scotland 18%
    Germanic Europe 5%
    France 3%
    Cameroon, Congo 1%

    23&me results:
    British & Irish 62.9%
    French & German 15.0%
    Scandinavian 0.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European 19.4%
    Broadly Southern European 0.9%
    Broadly European 0.1%
    Sub-Saharan African 0.7%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Thanks for doing this. I'm sure more people will add their results to this thread. Just looking at some of the different populations your family get more Baltic which is not surprising. There doesn't seem to be many Scandinavians here so it is difficult to compare. It would be interesting to see a few more results.
    What you wanna compare? I got two Swedish kits. But none of them have G25 scales yet.
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    Distance: 3.1640% / 0.03163963 | R3P
    64.4 __Germanic
    26.4 __IllyricRoman
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