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  1. #641
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    I added one Scotland_LBA individual sample in the "Insular_Celtic" reference ( B ) :I2861.

    Code:
    Insular_Celtic:B,0.01118,0.01318,0.01660,0.01495,0.01098,0.00808,0.00095,0.00305,0.00165,0.00168,-0.00405,0.00428,-0.01215,-0.01503,0.01948,-0.00115,-0.01178,0.00308,0.00520,0.00188,0.00220,0.00138,0.00310,0.00898,0.00310

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    I won’t pull A-S on any of these models, as we know I plot very Atlantic shifted, somewhere between North insular populations and Southern France. If we add Iron Age Sealand Danes, it represents a large chunk of my ancestry.

    Target: gar_ancestry_scaled
    Distance: 1.5518% / 0.01551814
    30.0 InsularCeltic (England Romans)
    28.6 DNK_Sealand_IA
    26.6 Roman
    14.8 Celtic
    0.0 Anglo-Saxon
    0.0 Paleo-Balkan

    If you remove the England Romans, and add together these various Isles populations to sum up all the differing models on the thread, it still comes up with this:

    Target: gar_ancestry_scaled
    Distance: 1.7442% / 0.01744246
    49.6 DNK_Sealand_IA
    34.2 Roman
    16.2 Celtic
    0.0 Anglo-Saxon
    0.0 England_IA
    0.0 English_Cornwall
    0.0 Paleo-Balkan
    0.0 Welsh

    Out of the entire datasheets, scaled or unscaled, it pulls Sealand Danes every time.
    AncestryDNA results:
    England, Wales, & NW Europe 73%
    Ireland & Scotland 18%
    Germanic Europe 5%
    France 3%
    Cameroon, Congo 1%

    23&me results:
    British & Irish 62.9%
    French & German 15.0%
    Scandinavian 0.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European 19.4%
    Broadly Southern European 0.9%
    Broadly European 0.1%
    Sub-Saharan African 0.7%

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    England Scotland Ireland Germany Bayern Italy Two Sicilies France
    With Celtic_B


    Target: JMcB
    Distance: 0.9159% / 0.00915940

    58.4 Continental_Celtic
    33.0 Insular_Celtic:B
    8.6 Italic
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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  6. #644
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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    I added one Scotland_LBA individual sample in the "Insular_Celtic" reference ( B ) :I2861.

    Code:
    Insular_Celtic:B,0.01118,0.01318,0.01660,0.01495,0.01098,0.00808,0.00095,0.00305,0.00165,0.00168,-0.00405,0.00428,-0.01215,-0.01503,0.01948,-0.00115,-0.01178,0.00308,0.00520,0.00188,0.00220,0.00138,0.00310,0.00898,0.00310
    Target: Owen
    Distance: 1.8060% / 0.01806031
    48.8 Insular_Celtic
    43.2 Continental_Celtic
    8.0 Viking_East

    Target: OwenDad
    Distance: 2.3950% / 0.02394998
    83.6 Continental_Celtic
    8.6 Viking_East
    7.8 Insular_Celtic

    Target: OwenMom
    Distance: 1.5773% / 0.01577326
    66.4 Insular_Celtic
    33.6 Continental_Celtic

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    I added one Scotland_LBA individual sample in the "Insular_Celtic" reference ( B ) :I2861.

    Code:
    Insular_Celtic:B,0.01118,0.01318,0.01660,0.01495,0.01098,0.00808,0.00095,0.00305,0.00165,0.00168,-0.00405,0.00428,-0.01215,-0.01503,0.01948,-0.00115,-0.01178,0.00308,0.00520,0.00188,0.00220,0.00138,0.00310,0.00898,0.00310
    It’s a fan of that one:

    Target: Ancestry
    Distance: 1.2322% / 0.01232195
    46.2 Continental_Celtic
    38.0 Insular_Celtic:B
    15.8 Viking_East

  9. #646
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    Northern Ireland Ireland Scotland
    Starting to notice a recurring trend of more of a Germanic shift in my unscaled results.

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  11. #647
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    United States of America Denmark France Prussia Russia Imperial Germany
    Apparently very Viking East

    Target: boilermeschew827
    Distance: 1.6415% / 0.01641524 | ADC: 1x RC
    100.0 Viking_East

    Grandma, makes sense

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma
    Distance: 1.3892% / 0.01389180 | ADC: 1x RC
    50.2 Gaulish
    35.6 Italic
    14.2 Insular_Celtic
    Known Ancestry: NW Russian 25%, Central French 25%, North German 25%, Scandinavian (mostly Dane/Swede, distant Norwegian) 12.5%, Polish/Prussian 12.5%

    AncestryDNA (2020 update): Eastern European and Russia 33%, Germanic Europe 32%, Sweden 10%, Norway 7%, Baltics 7%, France 5%, Scotland 4%, Finland 1%, Malta 1%

    23andMe (v5.9): French and German 41.1%, Eastern European 38%, Scandinavian 8%, Finnish 1.6%, British and Irish 0.8%, BNWE 10.2%, North African 0.2%, Broadly European 0.1%

  12. #648
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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    A variation of that model, but just with 3 references, I would be especially interested in seeing results from Italians, British islanders and Frenchs.

    Code:
    Insular_Celtic,0.01127,0.01340,0.01650,0.01503,0.01117,0.00830,0.00117,0.00427,0.00287,0.00323,-0.00420,0.00357,-0.01177,-0.01660,0.01963,-0.00327,-0.01403,0.00267,0.00620,0.00367,0.00170,0.00217,0.00380,0.01070,0.00360
    Continental_Celtic,0.01130,0.01300,0.01595,0.01265,0.01235,0.00530,0.00245,0.00120,0.00488,0.00663,-0.00268,0.00038,-0.00708,-0.01065,0.01163,0.00693,0.00243,0.00198,0.00325,0.00335,0.00453,0.00208,-0.00325,0.00633,0.00173
    Italic,0.00943,0.01537,0.00760,-0.00783,0.01397,-0.00287,-0.00223,-0.00027,0.01363,0.02067,-0.00060,0.00680,-0.00877,-0.00457,-0.00300,-0.00727,-0.00123,0.00167,0.00377,-0.00193,-0.00660,-0.00037,-0.00100,-0.00280,-0.00127
    They are averages between the references proposed by Sktibo in his model but adding to 3 "Gaulish" references Haalstat: D111 to make "Continental_Celtic" reference.
    Grandma (central French)

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma
    Distance: 1.5611% / 0.01561068
    53.6 Continental_Celtic
    34.0 Italic
    12.4 Insular_Celtic


    Target: boilermeschew827grandma
    Distance: 1.5611% / 0.01561068 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    53.6 Continental_Celtic
    34.0 Italic
    12.4 Insular_Celtic

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma
    Distance: 1.5891% / 0.01589070 | ADC: 0.5x
    68.0 Continental_Celtic
    29.6 Italic
    2.4 Insular_Celtic

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma
    Distance: 1.6956% / 0.01695599 | ADC: 1x
    81.0 Continental_Celtic
    19.0 Italic
    Known Ancestry: NW Russian 25%, Central French 25%, North German 25%, Scandinavian (mostly Dane/Swede, distant Norwegian) 12.5%, Polish/Prussian 12.5%

    AncestryDNA (2020 update): Eastern European and Russia 33%, Germanic Europe 32%, Sweden 10%, Norway 7%, Baltics 7%, France 5%, Scotland 4%, Finland 1%, Malta 1%

    23andMe (v5.9): French and German 41.1%, Eastern European 38%, Scandinavian 8%, Finnish 1.6%, British and Irish 0.8%, BNWE 10.2%, North African 0.2%, Broadly European 0.1%

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  14. #649
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    Celto-Germanic and Berber
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    Normandie Tunisia Denmark France Greece
    Target: Maman_Medaf
    Distance: 1.9558% / 0.01955751 | ADC: 1x RC
    80.6 Gaulish
    19.4 Norse

    Target: Maman_Medaf
    Distance: 1.8026% / 0.01802566 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    29.4 Gaulish
    28.8 Norse
    26.4 Viking_East
    15.4 Italic

    Target: Maman_Medaf
    Distance: 1.8026% / 0.01802554
    29.0 Norse
    28.8 Gaulish
    26.6 Viking_East
    15.6 Italic

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    France
    Various French departments :

    Target: Côtes-d'armor:EXPL0181
    Distance: 1.2791% / 0.01279063 | ADC: 1x RC
    73.2 Insular_Celtic
    26.8 Viking_East

    Target: Gard:EXPL0177
    Distance: 1.2305% / 0.01230527 | ADC: 1x RC
    62.6 Italic
    37.4 Gaulish

    Target: Pas-de-Calais:EXPL0176
    Distance: 1.0759% / 0.01075915 | ADC: 1x RC
    39.2 Gaulish
    34.6 Insular_Celtic
    26.2 Italic

    Target: Aveyron:EXPL0174
    Distance: 1.6188% / 0.01618752 | ADC: 1x RC
    55.0 Italic
    45.0 Gaulish

    Target: Deux-Sèvres:EXPL0162
    Distance: 1.6283% / 0.01628339 | ADC: 1x RC
    51.8 Gaulish
    31.4 Italic
    16.8 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Deux-Sèvres:EXPL0161
    Distance: 1.4072% / 0.01407239 | ADC: 1x RC
    39.2 Insular_Celtic
    37.2 Italic
    23.6 Gaulish

    Target: Calvados:EXPL0160
    Distance: 1.9558% / 0.01955751 | ADC: 1x RC
    80.6 Gaulish
    19.4 Norse

    Target: Gard:EXPL0154
    Distance: 1.8528% / 0.01852821 | ADC: 1x RC
    61.0 Italic
    39.0 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Tarn:EXPL0141
    Distance: 1.8045% / 0.01804475 | ADC: 1x RC
    58.4 Gaulish
    41.6 Italic

    Target: Finistère:EXPL0140
    Distance: 1.3912% / 0.01391196 | ADC: 1x RC
    72.2 Insular_Celtic
    27.8 Gaulish

    Target: Savoie:EXPL0138
    Distance: 1.5716% / 0.01571563 | ADC: 1x RC
    52.0 Gaulish
    48.0 Italic

    Target: Seine-Maritime:EXPL0135
    Distance: 1.4646% / 0.01464640 | ADC: 1x RC
    28.0 Insular_Celtic
    26.6 Gaulish
    23.2 Viking_East
    22.2 Italic

    Target: Yonne:EXPL0134
    Distance: 1.7260% / 0.01726039 | ADC: 1x RC
    50.4 Insular_Celtic
    49.6 Italic

    Target: Doubs:EXPL0133
    Distance: 1.1603% / 0.01160280 | ADC: 1x RC
    35.6 Italic
    29.6 Insular_Celtic
    20.2 Gaulish
    14.6 Viking_East

    Target: Finistère:EXPL0129
    Distance: 1.9267% / 0.01926687 | ADC: 1x RC
    100.0 Gaulish

    Target: Dordogne:EXPL0128
    Distance: 1.5225% / 0.01522477 | ADC: 1x RC
    52.0 Italic
    48.0 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Loire:EXPL0126
    Distance: 1.4446% / 0.01444629 | ADC: 1x RC
    55.2 Italic
    44.8 Gaulish

    Target: Sarthe:EXPL0120
    Distance: 1.4387% / 0.01438672 | ADC: 1x RC
    41.0 Italic
    33.0 Gaulish
    26.0 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Pas-de-Calais:EXPL0104
    Distance: 0.9288% / 0.00928838 | ADC: 1x RC
    49.8 Gaulish
    32.8 Italic
    17.4 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Nord:EXPL0094
    Distance: 1.1987% / 0.01198677 | ADC: 1x RC
    41.8 Insular_Celtic
    36.6 Gaulish
    21.6 Viking_East

    Target: Maine-et-Loire:EXPL0086
    Distance: 1.3740% / 0.01373951 | ADC: 1x RC
    34.8 Gaulish
    33.0 Insular_Celtic
    32.2 Viking_East

    Target: Ille-et-Vilaine:EXPL0081
    Distance: 1.4754% / 0.01475409 | ADC: 1x RC
    29.8 Gaulish
    24.6 Insular_Celtic
    23.8 Viking_East
    21.8 Italic

    Target: Indre:EXPL0080
    Distance: 1.3892% / 0.01389180 | ADC: 1x RC
    50.2 Gaulish
    35.6 Italic
    14.2 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Doubs:EXPL0057
    Distance: 0.8074% / 0.00807351 | ADC: 1x RC
    39.4 Insular_Celtic
    37.4 Italic
    23.2 Viking_East

    Target: Côtes-d'armor:EXPL0054
    Distance: 1.7047% / 0.01704696 | ADC: 1x RC
    75.6 Insular_Celtic
    24.4 Viking_East

    Target: Maine-et-Loire:EXPL0051
    Distance: 1.3571% / 0.01357116 | ADC: 1x RC
    70.8 Insular_Celtic
    29.2 Italic

    Target: Bouches-du-Rhône:EXPL0042
    Distance: 1.1249% / 0.01124889 | ADC: 1x RC
    70.2 Italic
    29.8 Gaulish

    Target: Loire-Atlantique:EXPL0015
    Distance: 1.3773% / 0.01377277 | ADC: 1x RC
    41.8 Italic
    33.2 Insular_Celtic
    12.6 Gaulish
    12.4 Viking_East

    Target: Savoie:EXPL0013
    Distance: 1.4149% / 0.01414880 | ADC: 1x RC
    55.4 Italic
    44.6 Gaulish

    Target: Charente-Maritime:EXPL0012
    Distance: 1.0789% / 0.01078871 | ADC: 1x RC
    43.4 Gaulish
    35.4 Italic
    16.8 Viking_East
    4.4 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Finistère:EXPL0008
    Distance: 1.2033% / 0.01203286 | ADC: 1x RC
    62.6 Insular_Celtic
    37.4 Gaulish
    Last edited by jstephan; 07-08-2021 at 08:22 PM.

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