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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    Rathlin is Bell Beaker.
    But what Bell Beakers were as ethnicity and what language were they speaking,in 2500 BC, that is a different matter.
    I understand Rathlin is from about 3000 BC , or so.
    Rathlin DNA relates to the food vessel culture which followed the beaker culture (though perhaps aspects of both overlapped by a century or so). It is generally agreed that the food vessel culture was a local morphing of the beaker culture that took place in Ireland and northern Britain. From memory the Rathlin burials date to the first few centuries after 2000BC and are roughly contemporary with the Unetice culture in central Europe, the Wessex I culture in southern England and the earlier part of the Armorican dagger culture in NW France, early Hilversum culture in the southern Low Countries etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    @Finn: Is known for sure that Dutch are having more Bell Beaker and Continental Celtic ancestry than Germanic ancestry.
    See that study with mtDNA from Viking Age that I have posted in this thread:
    Vikings had fewer H on mtDNA than current Scandos.
    You cluster near Evon because both of you are of Celto-Germanic ancestry.
    Ancient Saxons cluster very close to Ancient Vikings, I think from current Europe populations, no one score close to Ancient Vikings or Ancient Saxons.
    H in Norway at such elevate percentage as it is today can be only from bringing Insular Celtic women.

    See that Capitalis has a Celto-Germanic thread, you can ask him to plot you and Evon on his graphs also.
    I do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    Rathlin DNA relates to the food vessel culture which followed the beaker culture (though perhaps aspects of both overlapped by a century or so). It is generally agreed that the food vessel culture was a local morphing of the beaker culture that took place in Ireland and northern Britain. From memory the Rathlin burials date to the first few centuries after 2000BC and are roughly contemporary with the Unetice culture in central Europe, the Wessex I culture in southern England and the earlier part of the Armorican dagger culture in NW France, early Hilversum culture in the southern Low Countries etc.
    And Barbed Wire Beaker or Protruding Foot Beaker?????

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    Another for statistics and analysis on YDNA and mtDNA in Norway (updated earlier this year, taken from the Norway DNA project):
    http://www.sabj°rndal.no/DNA.htm

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    Can someone use G25 for the Ancient Bavarians samples from this thread?
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....light=bavarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    @Finn: Is known for sure that Dutch are having more Bell Beaker and Continental Celtic ancestry than Germanic ancestry.
    See that study with mtDNA from Viking Age that I have posted in this thread:
    Vikings had fewer H on mtDNA than current Scandos.
    You cluster near Evon because both of you are of Celto-Germanic ancestry.
    Ancient Saxons cluster very close to Ancient Vikings, think from current Europe populations, no one score close to Ancient Vikings or Ancient Saxons.
    H in Norway at such elevate percentage as it is today can be only from bringing Insular Celtic women.

    See that Capitalis has a Celto-Germanic thread, you can ask him to plot you and Evon on his graphs also.
    see:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post629263

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Hopefully this G25 calculator is a bit of fun. Don't take the labels too seriously! They're speculative.
    Please run using ADD DIST COL - 1X in Vahaduo.

    Target: linthos
    Distance: 1.1056% / 0.01105565 | ADC: 1x
    98.2 Gaulish
    1.8 Norse

    Target: Mitchell
    Distance: 1.1269% / 0.01126871 | ADC: 1x
    55.4 Insular_Celtic
    21.4 Norse
    20.6 Gaulish
    2.6 Viking_East

    Target: Sktibo
    Distance: 1.4789% / 0.01478853 | ADC: 1x
    35.4 Insular_Celtic
    34.6 Gaulish
    21.2 Viking_East
    8.8 Italic

    Target: Radboud
    Distance: 1.4152% / 0.01415177 | ADC: 1x
    48.8 Gaulish
    42.6 Norse
    8.6 Viking_East

    Target: Timberwolf
    Distance: 1.6693% / 0.01669345 | ADC: 1x
    85.4 Insular_Celtic
    14.6 Gaulish

    Target: DewslothDad
    Distance: 1.2857% / 0.01285699 | ADC: 1x
    51.6 Gaulish
    23.4 Italic
    15.0 Viking_East
    10.0 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Ruderico
    Distance: 1.6905% / 0.01690471 | ADC: 1x
    79.6 Italic
    20.4 Insular_Celtic

    Target: Norfolk
    Distance: 1.1766% / 0.01176554 | ADC: 1x
    54.8 Gaulish
    40.4 Insular_Celtic
    2.8 Italic
    2.0 Viking_East

    Target: Garimund_mother
    Distance: 1.6493% / 0.01649313 | ADC: 1x
    89.2 Insular_Celtic
    10.8 Italic

    Target: Garimund
    Distance: 2.2314% / 0.02231360 | ADC: 1x
    89.4 Insular_Celtic
    7.0 Italic
    3.6 Viking_East

    Target: Firemonkey_father
    Distance: 1.7687% / 0.01768683 | ADC: 1x
    88.8 Insular_Celtic
    8.2 Viking_East
    3.0 Norse

    Target: Firemonkey
    Distance: 1.4247% / 0.01424686 | ADC: 1x
    91.4 Insular_Celtic
    4.4 Viking_East
    4.2 Norse

    Target: Finn
    Distance: 0.9809% / 0.00980877 | ADC: 1x
    52.6 Norse
    21.6 Insular_Celtic
    15.6 Gaulish
    10.2 Viking_East

    Target: Jessie
    Distance: 1.5462% / 0.01546161 | ADC: 1x
    46.0 Insular_Celtic
    35.8 Norse
    18.2 Gaulish

    Target: FionnSneachta
    Distance: 1.7565% / 0.01756534 | ADC: 1x
    95.6 Insular_Celtic
    4.4 Viking_East

    Target: Backtotheforestsmom
    Distance: 1.7291% / 0.01729134 | ADC: 1x
    80.2 Insular_Celtic
    13.6 Gaulish
    6.2 Viking_East

    Target: Bridget
    Distance: 1.5792% / 0.01579221 | ADC: 1x
    85.4 Insular_Celtic
    14.6 Norse

    Target: Amerijoe
    Distance: 1.3439% / 0.01343903 | ADC: 1x
    75.8 Insular_Celtic
    19.2 Gaulish

    Thanks Skitbo, that was indeed quite fun (especially if you accidentally use scaled data)

    Target: Jadegreg
    Distance: 1.1940% / 0.01193966 | ADC: 1x
    88.8 Gaulish
    8.6 Viking_East
    2.6 Norse
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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    A small article that shows that even Ancient Saxons might had an influx of Celtic genes.
    Seems Viking Danish had significant Celtic ancestry due to the migration of Celtic people from Germany and Switzerland in Denmark.

    https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingL...anTeutones.htm
    See that Tomenable has a thread with some ancient Bavarians DNA.
    All are scoring North Sea as highest admixture.
    So North Sea blood might be shared between Norse and some Celtic tribes.
    thanks for the article!!!

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    Skitbo, those proxy 'gaulish' samples seem to plot in rather close proximity to a number of less 'North Sea' variants of the Anglo-saxons. Now, I'm rather new at this and have barely any knowledge of the ancient samples, but do you think this raises the possibility of some of the 'Anglo-saxon' samples of Southern England actually being comprised of individuals that have closer ties to the Eastern Gauls and/or Belgae, and that those A-S samples have been mislabelled based on their historic age? Indeed those 3 gaulish proxies seem to have close ties to the central Hungarian Szolad samples as well as the Earlier DEU_Lech EBA samples. Of course, there's the possibility that these may simply be more centrally european clined germanics............like the Suebi, Langobards etc. OR do the timeframe and locations of the samples make tht implausible?

    EDIT: Please Ignore. Skitbo answered these questions in another thread

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....on-Age-Britain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    So you can say the genetic heritage of the Celts in the UK is not as pronounced as in southern Germany by the strong mingling with the Anglo-Saxons?
    The aspect is more cultural than genetic, that is to say that throughout Europe there was a strong Celtic culture with only genetic differences among Iberian Celts, Central Europe or England
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