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    Where did the Cushitic language originate?

    We now know thanks to least moves theory, greatest diversity that AfroAsiatic language originated somewhere in Northeast africa. Most scholars today say it's in the Horn of Africa and SouthernEastern Sahara adjacent regions The Origins of Afroasiatic and also the '' The geography of the M35/215 (or 215/M35) lineage, which is of Horn/East African origin, is largely concordant with the range of Afroasiatic''



    Then that leads to the question where did the Cushitic branch originate? Because it's only historically/currently spoken in the Nile Valley and Eastern Africa. Some people suggested that the E-M78 lineage shows that cushitic speakers likely originated in Southern Egypt Haplogroup E-V68

    And the oldest currently known spoken and written cushitic language today remain Beja in Southern Egypt/Sudan adjacent regions (Blemmys as an ancient Beja language) With the Somali writing system remaining undeciphered.

    But then through historical linguistic analysis and reconstructions they have determined that Proto-Cushitic to have been spoken as far back as the Early Holocene. With this book Archaeology of African Plant Use suggesting that it was spoken in the almost unknown areas North of Eritrea near the red sea. Northern Cushitic developed earliest around Eastern Sahara and other branches also broke out then spread southwards.

    That book and other sources lack inclusion of recontruction of Lowland East Cushitic though and that gives it a bit of an incomplete picture.
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    Personally, I think it first emerged roughly where the Beja live today. Also, the Beja vs all other Cushites split roughly coincides with this. However, this does not mean Bejas are identical to proto-Cushites. They have undergone many different admixture events (especially from peninsular Arabs, Egyptians, and various Nilotes).

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    They are historically pastoral languages so the range as far as origin could be quite large.

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    land of Cush.....East Africa, not too hard to figure out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    land of Cush.....East Africa, not too hard to figure out.
    You have proof it originated in East Africa or is this another one of your one liner posts with no substance

    As for my response to OP I think it originated in Lower Nubia,Upper Egypt or the Eastern Desert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    land of Cush.....East Africa, not too hard to figure out.
    East Africa is huge. It is like saying Indo-European originated in Eurasia.. Yeah, not quite informative. The debates people have about Indo-European is the Ukraine/Western Steppe vs Anatolia hypothesis. With Cushitic, people differ on whether it was the Nile Valley around the Egypt-Sudan border or the Horn proper (Ethiopia etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    Personally, I think it first emerged roughly where the Beja live today. Also, the Beja vs all other Cushites split roughly coincides with this. However, this does not mean Bejas are identical to proto-Cushites. They have undergone many different admixture events (especially from peninsular Arabs, Egyptians, and various Nilotes).
    It is not identical but considered the clostest to the Proto-Cushitic out of all the branches. I remember reading a work by Christopher Ehret and other renowned linguists they said that Beja, followed by Afar-Saho, is the most conservative form of Cushitic and thus closest to the Proto Cushitic language. Linguists use to believe that Beja was so conservative that at one point that it was it's own branch within Afro-Asiatic because other Cushitic languages had diverged so much.

    Although Northern Somali clusters with Afar-Saho the Southern dialects interestingly do not probably because they are influenced by the cushitic languages spoken by the original Southern Cushites.

    But i agree with your conclusion it is generally now agreed that the C group spoke a Cushitic language. With some also saying Kerma although they are split on that one. Taking all of this together we can safely say that where the beja lives (Northern Sudan/Upper Egypt) is the origin for cushitic language.

    Please correct me if i am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    land of Cush.....East Africa, not too hard to figure out.
    I think you are confusing the historical name of Kush with the language classification of ''Cushitic''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirix View Post
    I think you are confusing the historical name of Kush with the language classification of ''Cushitic''.
    Cute story, false, but cute. Glad we were able to clear that up. You might also wanna read up on the history of the letters C and K.

    Cush is traditionally considered the eponymous ancestor of the people of the "land of Cush," an ancient territory that is believed to have been located on either side or both sides of the Red Sea. As such, "Cush" is alternately identified in scripture with the Kingdom of Kush or ancient Ethiopia. The Cushitic languages are named after Cush.

    The Encyclopędia Britannica: A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences, and General Literat.re. 6. C. Scribner's Sons. 1878. p. 729.
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    Another brick in the wall. If we talk about Proto-Afro-Asiatic. Also let us keep in mind Natufian hypothesis too. In this case PAA branches (except Proto-Semitic) migrated to Africa from Levant (Proto-Cushitic is from Upper Egypt/Nubia?)
    But E-M35 is too old (25 kya) haplogroup to be the earliest PAA speaker.
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