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    Harappaworld results for Gangetic plains

    Can we get a thread going with a compilation of gedmatch results for UP and Bihari people? Thanks. This region is very poorly understood.
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    I will download some hindi speaking samples from WGS 168 study. But they are mostly from Haryana-Delhi region it seem. Only 1 sample from Bihar, not sure which one.

    Last edited by bol_nat; 11-22-2019 at 05:46 AM.

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.35
    2 S-Indian 32.07
    3 Caucasian 11.51
    4 NE-Euro 11.24
    5 Beringian 1.33
    6 Siberian 1.04
    7 Papuan 0.97
    8 Mediterranean 0.54
    9 American 0.41
    10 SE-Asian 0.34
    11 W-African 0.14
    12 SW-Asian 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 2.54
    2 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 2.8
    3 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 3.42
    4 punjabi (harappa) 3.78
    5 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.53
    6 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.71
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 4.74
    8 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 4.74
    9 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.91
    10 kashmiri (harappa) 5.91
    11 punjabi-arain (xing) 5.98
    12 sindhi (harappa) 6.69
    13 nepalese-a (xing) 7.59
    14 up-muslim (harappa) 7.65
    15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.25
    16 sindhi (hgdp) 8.43
    17 bhatia (harappa) 8.83
    18 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.94
    19 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.94
    20 pathan (hgdp) 9.23

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 56.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 43.3% kalash (hgdp) @ 0.95
    2 50.1% kalash (hgdp) + 49.9% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 1.24
    3 54.6% kalash (hgdp) + 45.4% vaish (reich) @ 1.43
    4 85.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 14.2% kalash (hgdp) @ 1.67
    5 83% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 17% pathan (hgdp) @ 1.75
    6 95.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.1% urkarah (xing) @ 1.75
    7 96.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 3.9% lezgin (behar) @ 1.8
    8 96.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 3.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 1.85
    9 96.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 3.4% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 1.88
    10 73% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 27% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 1.92
    11 90.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 1.93
    12 50.8% up-brahmin (harappa) + 49.2% pathan (hgdp) @ 1.95
    13 96.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 3.4% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 1.95
    14 94.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.6% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 1.95
    15 72.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 27.3% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 1.96
    16 97.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.9% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.97
    17 97.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.98
    18 97.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.9% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.99
    19 80.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 19.9% sindhi (harappa) @ 1.99
    20 55.2% kalash (hgdp) + 44.8% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 2.02

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    This individual is a 62 year old male of South-Asian origin (Country of Birth: India). They are Hindu, and their first language is Hindi.

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.96
    2 S-Indian 27.29
    3 Caucasian 14.36
    4 NE-Euro 12.16
    5 SW-Asian 1.88
    6 Siberian 1.71
    7 Beringian 1.16
    8 Mediterranean 0.81
    9 Papuan 0.67

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.15
    2 sindhi (harappa) 3.6
    3 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 4.28
    4 pathan (hgdp) 4.48
    5 kashmiri (harappa) 5.77
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.86
    7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 6.16
    8 bhatia (harappa) 6.73
    9 punjabi (harappa) 7.11
    10 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 7.36
    11 kalash (hgdp) 7.55
    12 haryana-jatt (harappa) 7.95
    13 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 7.96
    14 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.12
    15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 8.74
    16 burusho (hgdp) 8.91
    17 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 9.19
    18 sindhi (hgdp) 9.35
    19 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 9.53
    20 up-muslim (harappa) 10.34

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76.9% pathan (hgdp) + 23.1% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.83
    2 80.2% pathan (hgdp) + 19.8% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 1.93
    3 82.3% pathan (hgdp) + 17.7% vaish (reich) @ 1.99
    4 86.3% pathan (hgdp) + 13.7% srivastava (reich) @ 2.07
    5 91.4% pathan (hgdp) + 8.6% bhil (reich) @ 2.11
    6 91.9% pathan (hgdp) + 8.1% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 2.12
    7 92.3% pathan (hgdp) + 7.7% tn-dalit (xing) @ 2.14
    8 92.4% pathan (hgdp) + 7.6% mala (reich) @ 2.15
    9 92% pathan (hgdp) + 8% hakkipikki (metspalu) @ 2.15
    10 92.4% pathan (hgdp) + 7.6% ap-mala (xing) @ 2.17
    11 81.5% pathan (hgdp) + 18.5% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.17
    12 63.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 36.7% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.18
    13 92.1% pathan (hgdp) + 7.9% kurumba (reich) @ 2.19
    14 91.3% pathan (hgdp) + 8.7% chamar (metspalu) @ 2.19
    15 82.2% pathan (hgdp) + 17.8% bihari-muslim (harappa) @ 2.2
    16 92.1% pathan (hgdp) + 7.9% chenchu (reich) @ 2.2
    17 88% pathan (hgdp) + 12% kanjar (metspalu) @ 2.21
    18 89.3% pathan (hgdp) + 10.7% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.21
    19 87.5% pathan (hgdp) + 12.5% up-muslim (metspalu) @ 2.21
    20 64.3% pathan (hgdp) + 35.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.22

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 37.31
    2 S-Indian 31.74
    3 Caucasian 12.8
    4 NE-Euro 11.15
    5 Siberian 1.77
    6 American 1.57
    7 NE-Asian 1.38
    8 Mediterranean 1.28
    9 Papuan 1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.23
    2 kashmiri (harappa) 3.71
    3 punjabi (harappa) 4.49
    4 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.53
    5 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.61
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.94
    7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 5.36
    8 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.64
    9 up-muslim (harappa) 6.07
    10 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.27
    11 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 6.63
    12 sindhi (harappa) 7.05
    13 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.26
    14 nepalese-a (xing) 7.54
    15 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.09
    16 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.6
    17 pathan (hgdp) 9.36
    18 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.68
    19 bhatia (harappa) 10.19
    20 burusho (hgdp) 10.46

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4% russian (behar) @ 1.83
    2 96.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.9% belorussian (behar) @ 1.86
    3 95.8% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.87
    4 95.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4.4% slovenian (xing) @ 1.9
    5 95.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.92
    6 95.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4.4% hungarian (behar) @ 1.93
    7 96.4% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.6% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.96
    8 96.8% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.2% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2
    9 95.4% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4.6% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.05
    10 96% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4% n-european (xing) @ 2.05
    11 95.5% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4.5% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.07
    12 96.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.9% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.09
    13 91.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.5% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.1
    14 95.7% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 4.3% chuvash (behar) @ 2.11
    15 96.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.12
    16 96.2% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.8% british (1000genomes) @ 2.15
    17 96.3% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.7% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.17
    18 96.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.9% french (hgdp) @ 2.19
    19 96.2% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.8% italian (hgdp) @ 2.32
    20 96.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 3.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    India Hindu Hindi ERS416398

    Description
    This individual is a 62 year old male of South-Asian origin (Country of Birth: India). They are Hindu, and their first language is Hindi.

    Kit EY5020218

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.96
    2 S-Indian 27.29
    3 Caucasian 14.36
    4 NE-Euro 12.16
    5 SW-Asian 1.88
    6 Siberian 1.71
    7 Beringian 1.16
    8 Mediterranean 0.81
    9 Papuan 0.67

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.15
    2 sindhi (harappa) 3.6
    3 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 4.28
    4 pathan (hgdp) 4.48
    5 kashmiri (harappa) 5.77
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.86
    7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 6.16
    8 bhatia (harappa) 6.73
    9 punjabi (harappa) 7.11
    10 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 7.36
    11 kalash (hgdp) 7.55
    12 haryana-jatt (harappa) 7.95
    13 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 7.96
    14 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.12
    15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 8.74
    16 burusho (hgdp) 8.91
    17 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 9.19
    18 sindhi (hgdp) 9.35
    19 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 9.53
    20 up-muslim (harappa) 10.34

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76.9% pathan (hgdp) + 23.1% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.83
    2 80.2% pathan (hgdp) + 19.8% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 1.93
    3 82.3% pathan (hgdp) + 17.7% vaish (reich) @ 1.99
    4 86.3% pathan (hgdp) + 13.7% srivastava (reich) @ 2.07
    5 91.4% pathan (hgdp) + 8.6% bhil (reich) @ 2.11
    6 91.9% pathan (hgdp) + 8.1% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 2.12
    7 92.3% pathan (hgdp) + 7.7% tn-dalit (xing) @ 2.14
    8 92.4% pathan (hgdp) + 7.6% mala (reich) @ 2.15
    9 92% pathan (hgdp) + 8% hakkipikki (metspalu) @ 2.15
    10 92.4% pathan (hgdp) + 7.6% ap-mala (xing) @ 2.17
    11 81.5% pathan (hgdp) + 18.5% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.17
    12 63.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 36.7% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.18
    13 92.1% pathan (hgdp) + 7.9% kurumba (reich) @ 2.19
    14 91.3% pathan (hgdp) + 8.7% chamar (metspalu) @ 2.19
    15 82.2% pathan (hgdp) + 17.8% bihari-muslim (harappa) @ 2.2
    16 92.1% pathan (hgdp) + 7.9% chenchu (reich) @ 2.2
    17 88% pathan (hgdp) + 12% kanjar (metspalu) @ 2.21
    18 89.3% pathan (hgdp) + 10.7% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.21
    19 87.5% pathan (hgdp) + 12.5% up-muslim (metspalu) @ 2.21
    20 64.3% pathan (hgdp) + 35.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.22
    These people from hayana are really like Punjabi’s. I don’t know why they aren’t and instead speak a language shared with much more AASI rich people to the East and south.

    Anyway I’m looking for gangetics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    These people from hayana are really like Punjabiís. I donít know why they arenít and instead speak a language shared with much more AASI rich people to the East and south.

    Anyway Iím looking for gangetics
    That's an odd comment. Since when did level of AASI correlate with speaking Punjabi? Next one might suggest AASI enriched PJL shouldn't be speakijg Punjabi?

    It would be good to collect Gangetic plain sample results in this thread. I've come across a few Biharis, usually Pakistan based, but not outside of 23andme or on gedmatch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    That's an odd comment. Since when did level of AASI correlate with speaking Punjabi? Next one might suggest AASI enriched PJL shouldn't be speakijg Punjabi?

    It would be good to collect Gangetic plain sample results in this thread. I've come across a few Biharis, usually Pakistan based, but not outside of 23andme or on gedmatch.
    I think @Censored only meant that person (India Hindu Hindi ERS416398) is probably a Punjabi (based on his results, which seems to be the case to me as well) but is from Haryana and stated Hindi as his first language rather than Punjabi, whereas he wants results of "Gangetics".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    These people from hayana are really like Punjabi’s. I don’t know why they aren’t and instead speak a language shared with much more AASI rich people to the East and south.

    Anyway I’m looking for gangetics
    Haryana has a caste called Khatranis. They are "migrants" like the Rors and Jats, they just came earlier than the Swat/ North Punjab Khatris/ Arora/ Bhatias from partition. This guy is a Khatri, one of his matches is a Narula (Khatri caste).

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    Honestly the samples seem to be Brahmin or Khatris from Punjab/Haryana. There is lack of high Iran N ancestry in Gangetic planes. At best these folks represent biradaris from Punjab and Haryana.
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