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    P (R & Q) totals in Eurasia and Americas

    It's occurred to me that West Eurasians and American Indians are really a bifurcated race, anchored by the Turks, Uralics and Dravidians also being part of this (?Georgians?). This reflection was after wanting to narrow down my own R1a-Z284 ancestry in England back to Scandinavia, finding that it is in the minority among Germanics, along with R1a-L664. Once combined with R1b, it makes an R1 majority not only throughout merely Germanic countries, but all of Indo-Europa (Subcontinental-Continental), with the Americas North and South. Why not simply add R2 and just be a single R population, since R2 would just fortify R1 where they already coexist? Going to this length, what's to stop looking at the combined American Mestizo population of R & Q, arguably an echo of Turkic, Uralic and Dravidian conditions (?Georgians?), simply the difference between New or Old continent populations? In the process of combining R & Q returns, we might find that other Asian populations are also in the majority and thus, at least another language family might approach the same relevance to what is stereotypically framed by reference to the West.

    Does anybody have an already-tabled quick reference for the absolute percentages of Y-DNA haplogroup P clades R & Q in countries for both the Old World and New World? It would be great to do a Venn diagram between them, to track genetic drift, along with maps wherever countries have either or both combined to make the majority of clades in the world. I'm addicted to my Paint programme, with a propensity for filling in maps based upon various criteria. If it can be safely inferred that Indo-Europeans, Turks, Uralics and Dravidians (?Georgians?) are all majority P clades, it would be easy to blanket shade a bunch of countries already matching those ethnic groups, so the only real legwork would be assessing the possible majorities in countries where their languages are not official or standard. I'm curious if we might be able to count any Tai-Kadai, Austroasiatic, Austronesian or Mongolic countries along with the rest, in any single case as majority P. I doubt that any Sino-Tibetan, Koreanic, Japonic or Melanesian countries are in any way majority P. I don't know for sure and while I intend to scan the links for myself, I wonder if it's been done.

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/europ...logroups.shtml
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P_(Y-DNA)
    Last edited by Björnsson; 11-24-2019 at 02:46 AM.

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    I find it hard to believe that I'm seemingly alone in being fascinated by the fact that R1b and R1a colonists who founded all the countries of the Americas, are fraternal cousins of the Indians and each is closer to the other than either with those who are neither R nor Q. In this context, subsidies for First Nations reservations seem like welfare for poor and sick family members, by moving in and fixing up old houses and plots, albeit not without family feuds from time to time.

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    I am quite fascinated by all this since the two branches have gone all the way around the globe and have come together again in my family. My son and one of my grandsons carry my R1b-U152-Z36-A7992. I guess you can say we all have a lot of "Gaul." My wife's maternal grandfather passed on his Q-M3 Native American Y chromosome to his male descendants. My children and three of my grandchildren carry my wife's A2r Native American mitochondrial DNA. My sons's son carries an A2h.

    I am not a specialist so I won't dare comment on your theory but I'm quite interested to read what others think of it. As a former history teacher on an Indian Reservation, I used to enjoy blowing my Native students' minds with the fact that Y-DNA R & Q are first cousins and that we are all descended from the SAME MAN.

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