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    YFull results for Pashtun

    Pretty sure many Afghan L-M357/L-L1307

    https://yfull.com/tree/L-L1307/

    Are in this sub-branch:

    https://yfull.com/tree/L-FGC40778/

    That Pakistani sample is a Balochi from HGDP. The others there are a Saudi, and a new as yet unidentified user. TMRCA, 2100ybp.

    The neighboring branch, https://yfull.com/tree/L-Y17962/ , has TMRCA of 1600ybp. It looks like it might be one of those lines spread during Islamic expansion.
    Last edited by Dr_McNinja; 11-27-2019 at 04:54 PM.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    There's one person with descent from Barakzai from Kandahar in the J2b2 tree:

    https://yfull.com/tree/J-Z2432/ (South Asian J2b2-M241)

    https://yfull.com/tree/J-FT14805/

    Also around ~2kya, also has lines diverging into Arabs and, in this case, Goa, India (including Portugese Goans a branch or two up).

    Tree isn't updated this monthly cycle, so next month it will show any new branches so TMRCA dates for above samples may change.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_McNinja View Post
    There's one person with descent from Barakzai from Kandahar in the J2b2 tree:

    https://yfull.com/tree/J-Z2432/ (South Asian J2b2-M241)

    https://yfull.com/tree/J-FT14805/

    Also around ~2kya, also has lines diverging into Arabs and, in this case, Goa, India (including Portugese Goans a branch or two up).

    Tree isn't updated this monthly cycle, so next month it will show any new branches so TMRCA dates for above samples may change.
    Are there any Pashtun or Balochi J2a samples that you know of?

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    Some Z2123 Pashtun samples from the Arpad study were uploaded on Yfull

    R-Y47>YP1532
    A frequent Pashtun R1a-Z2123 clade among Pashtuns (around 10% of all Pashtuns carry it).According to Yfull it formed around 3400 ybp and has a TMRCA of 1100 ybp. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1532/

    This clade is also found among some Tajiks, but they seem to got it recently from Pashtuns because the TMRCAs between Pashtun and Tajiks subclades are often less than 500 years. Unlike YP413 and L657 R-Y47 (upstream of YP1532) was so far not found among Baluchs and Brahui pointing to YP1532 orginating from a region north of Gedrosia and having originally a more northern spread than YP413 (most frequent Pashtun R1a clade). But YP1532 is under Y47 which seems to be restricted to Afghanistan and South Asia with few samples in the Caucasus and Tajikistan/Pamir region. So Y47 and YP1532 look for now like orginally Proto-Indo-Aryan clades based on their modern distribution, but new ancient samples could show a very different picture with very different conclusions.

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    Based on the currently published samples this seems to be the most frequent Pashtun clade.

    R-YP413>R-M12280>R-YP1709>R-YP1127>R-YP1123
    Most frequent R1a clade among Pashtuns which formed around 2000-3000 ybp and has a TMRCA of 1150 ybp according to yfull. The clade is under R1a-Z94>Z2125 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1123/

    This is a very interesting clade because it upstream clade YP413 has a very unusual spread.

    YP413 so far was found among Pashtuns, Baluchs/Brahui, Arabs, Armenians, Russians, Germans and Portugese but absent among any Saka or modern day Central Asians north of Afghanistan. It is also very rare in South Asia except people with recent Pashtun ancestry or in the most northwestern regions of the subcontinent. Based on unconfirmed results it was also found among the Tazabagyab culture dated to 1500-1000 B.C. So based on all this it seems to be an East Iranic but Pre-Saka clade. It was probably mainly restricted to Arachosia and Gedrosia before Pashtun expansion so we still find quite lot YP413 among Baluchs and Brahui.

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    G-M377>G-Y12297>G-M3124>G-M283
    A widespread G clade which according to Yfull formed around 1600 ybp and has a TMRCA of 1100 ybp. Some tribes like Utmankhel and Afridi seems to be dominated by this clade. https://www.yfull.com/tree/G M3146/

    It was also found among Burusho and Iranians i think, but this could be from recent Pashtun admixture. M3124 (formed 5500 ybp according to Yfull) , which is upstream of M283, was found among modern day Italians. Y12297 (formed 8400 ybp according to Yfull) which is more upstream is also found among many Jewish samples.

    Without ancient dna we can only speculate, where this clade orginated exactly in the Bronze Age/Iron Age, but based on the spread of Y12297 it seems that the ancestor of M283 orginated close to Mesopotamia.

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    Two Pashtun R1b samples are also uploaded on Yfull.

    R1b-Z2103>R-M12149>R-Z2106>R-Z2108
    This clade formed 5400 ybp and has a of TMRCA 2700 ybp. It is shared with a Gujarati pointing to the clade arriving with Indo-Iranians in Afghanistan and South Asia. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-SK2087/

    R1b-Z2103>R-M12149>R-Z2106>R-Z2108>R-Z2110>R-FGC24408
    The clade formed 4600 ybp and has a TMRCA of 4600 ybp. It is only shared with a sample from Bahrein on Yfull. It likely arrived with Indo-Iranians but this can not be proved yet. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT10149/

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    My Pashtun sample is now also on YFull

    R1a-Z93>R-Z94>R-Y3>R-Y2>R-L657>R-Y28>R-Y4>R-Y6>R-Y5>Y920*

    My clade just like R1a-L657 generally seems to be an Indo-Aryan Bronze Age clade of Abashevo/Andronovo which via the Inner Asian Mountain corridor which went into Afghanistan and was likely at an early point assimilated by local East Iranic hence its presence among Pashtuns/Ghilzai.

    I am negative for all detected subbranches under Y920 yet so I will probably get an Afghan/Central Asian-specific Y920 clade in the future ,when more Afghans do full genome testing. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y920*/

    Interestingly I found some Pashtun R1a samples likely under Y920 based on their Str markers and they seem to be all from the same region from where my ancestors are from. It is likely that they are under new branches not included on Yfull and Ftdna yet.

    Sample code Father birth place* Region Y chrom. DYS393 DYS390 DYS19 DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464 DYS460 GATA H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
    Afg47 Kabul south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg50 Paghman south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg51 Jalalabad south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg52 Asadabad south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg53 Kabul south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg62 Asadabad south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 1111

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201259#Sec15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    My Pashtun sample is now also on YFull

    R1a-Z93>R-Z94>R-Y3>R-Y2>R-L657>R-Y28>R-Y4>R-Y6>R-Y5>Y920*

    My clade just like R1a-L657 generally seems to be an Indo-Aryan Bronze Age clade of Abashevo/Andronovo which via the Inner Asian Mountain corridor which went into Afghanistan and was likely at an early point assimilated by local East Iranic hence its presence among Pashtuns/Ghilzai.

    I am negative for all detected subbranches under Y920 yet so I will probably get an Afghan/Central Asian-specific Y920 clade in the future ,when more Afghans do full genome testing. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y920*/

    Interestingly I found some Pashtun R1a samples likely under Y920 based on their Str markers and they seem to be all from the same region from where my ancestors are from. It is likely that they are under new branches not included on Yfull and Ftdna yet.

    Sample code Father birth place* Region Y chrom. DYS393 DYS390 DYS19 DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464 DYS460 GATA H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
    Afg47 Kabul south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg50 Paghman south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg51 Jalalabad south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg52 Asadabad south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg53 Kabul south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 11
    Afg62 Asadabad south R1a1a* (M198) 13 25 15 10 11-14 10 14 11 32 16 14 20 12 15 1111

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201259#Sec15
    Looking at that tree makes you realize just how scarcely genotyped the population of Central/South Asia is; the only private kits not downstream of Y906 are you and two others; the overwhelming majority are from the HGDP and published studies.

    Btw, did you see that there's a new Y3* sample on YFull? Its from Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altvred View Post
    Looking at that tree makes you realize just how scarcely genotyped the population of Central/South Asia is; the only private kits not downstream of Y906 are you and two others; the overwhelming majority are from the HGDP and published studies.

    Btw, did you see that there's a new Y3* sample on YFull? Its from Turkey.
    Nice find it seems Y3* and Y2* have a quite wide distribution with Y2 even being found among Ukrainian Cossacks. Would be interesting to know from where in Turkey the sample is from and if it is of Kurdish origin. This Y3 could arrive with Mittani Indo-Aryans but just one of several possibilities for now.

    For now, there are just two private Afghan R1a samples at Yfull (including me and a Z2123>YP520 sample from Ghazni). The biggest Pashtun R1a-Z93 clade YP413 has not even any samples from Afghanistan at Yfull yet (all of the Pashtun samples are from Pakistan for this clade). The other Afghan R1a samples at Yfull are all from the Arpad Z2123 study and thanks to this study Afghan Z2123 is better represented at Yfull but it just represents 1/4 of Afghan R1a. Especially L657 is super poorly researched so far and ignored in many studies. All the relevant studies about South Asia eithe ignore Y-DNA or just have str markers.

    The ftdna ytree has more private Afghan samples and i found 2x Z2123>YP520, 1x Z2124>YP413, 3x Y3>L657 and 1x R1a-Z282 (likely related to Sarikoli/Central Asian R-YP4858).

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