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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    Hello, I am Russian and in making this post I do not seek to insult Finnish people nor any Finnic people! However, I have noticed that Finnish members on the board often call Russians mongoloid and many other members seem to think that Russians are more mongoloid than Finns. To me, this seems like a joke!
    Sure, we have some mongoloid ancestry, but it is much significantly lower than in Finns. In fact, you can draw a straight line between Finnish people and French people - and Russians will be on that line. This means we are both more Western and More Southern than Finnish people are. https://imgur.com/a/JdbbM8Z

    Even Northern Russians, are more Western & Southern than Finns are genetically. That can not be denied.

    And I am not saying that we are purely Caucasoid either, of course we have some uralic genes. BUT, we have significantly less of these genes than Finnish people do.
    Also, you can very clearly see the difference when looking at phenotypes.
    I , for example am Pontid phenotype (Long narrow nose, brown eyes and hair), which can not be found in Finland.
    Whereas a lot of Finnic people are Lappid phenotype, which can not be found in Russians.

    So please, be aware that we are Europeans, and in Fact more Europeans than Finns are. The only reasons Finns have such a western image is because of Swedish colonization and Christianization. Before christianity and Vikings, Finland was no different from Mongolia
    We try not to discuss phenotypes here. Discussing phenotypes does not really helps to understand genetics or history better. Also phenotypes dont correlate with genetics in many cases. A Ukrainian/Polish-like looking Russian can have more Uralic admixture than a Finnish/Mordvinian-like looking Russian. Having a (partial) Epicanthic fold doesn not automatically means that you have significant asiatic admixture. Many Russians think that they must have tatar admixture because some ancestors were dark eyed or dark haird but in most cases this turns out not to be true and they are often indistinguishable from other East Slavs.
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog)> R-L657> R-Y4 (Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun/Indo-Aryan)

    mtDNA: H28 (Globular Amphora, Bronze Age Latvia) > H28a (Ruthenian)

    mtDNA (Wife): H1b (found in Globular Amphora, EBA Poland, Bronze Age Latvia) > H1b5 (found in Viking-Age Gotland) > H1b5 (Russian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geborgenheit View Post
    Russians have a lot of Finno-Ugric ancestry. That's why they usually get hundreds of Finnish cousins in autosomal tests.
    Getting at lot of IBD hits with Finns is about as informative as getting a lot of IBD hits with Ashkenazi Jews.

    Not very informative at all, due to their genetic bottlenecks.

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    ENA belongs to north Eurasia. Both Yana and Malta genomes carry ca 20% of ENA. This means that it is natural that Northern North Eurasians carry ENA. Southerners do not.

    Yana and Malta UP.GIF

    Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/448829-1.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I lived in Russia back in 2001. IMHO most Russians are very European looking, but every once in awhile one encounters a person with what might be regarded as Mongoloid features. It's not exactly what I would call commonplace. I can't comment on Finns, since I've never lived in Finland or have ever even been there.
    Of course, you will see more Mongoloid looking Russians than you will French or British, I am not arguing that. However, you will see less Mongoloid Russians than you will finns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I lived in Russia back in 2001. IMHO most Russians are very European looking, but every once in awhile one encounters a person with what might be regarded as Mongoloid features. It's not exactly what I would call commonplace. I can't comment on Finns, since I've never lived in Finland or have ever even been there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geborgenheit View Post
    Russians have a lot of Finno-Ugric ancestry. That's why they usually get hundreds of Finnish cousins in autosomal tests.
    Swedish people get a lot of Finnish cousins in DNA tests. Much more than do Russians.
    The reason for that is large European mixture among the Finns, not large Uralic admixture among Europeans.

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    There is indeed more Finnish admixture in Sweden than Swedish admixture in Finland:

    Nationwide Genomic Study in Denmark Fig 3.GIF

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw...ml?title=Click on image to zoom&p=PMC3&id=5068857_711fig3.jpg
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068857/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    well genetic tests are among Finns more popular than among many other Europeans. My wife for example indeed gets hundred of Finnish matches but barely has any Uralic admixture. Matches on autosomal tests can come from many generations ago.
    Is your wife Finnish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Is your wife Finnish?
    She is ethnic Russian with ancestry from Central and South Russia. Vladimir/Ivanovo from where most of her ancestors are from was once populated by Finno-Ugrians but it seems the native population was almost fully replaced in medieval times
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog)> R-L657> R-Y4 (Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun/Indo-Aryan)

    mtDNA: H28 (Globular Amphora, Bronze Age Latvia) > H28a (Ruthenian)

    mtDNA (Wife): H1b (found in Globular Amphora, EBA Poland, Bronze Age Latvia) > H1b5 (found in Viking-Age Gotland) > H1b5 (Russian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    There is indeed more Finnish admixture in Sweden than Swedish admixture in Finland:

    Nationwide Genomic Study in Denmark Fig 3.GIF

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw...ml?title=Click on image to zoom&p=PMC3&id=5068857_711fig3.jpg
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068857/
    Yes. It is common. See my thread:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19024-Swedish-sa
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    9. 60.6% Norwegian + 39.4% N_Italian @ 3.32

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    So please, be aware that we are Europeans, and in Fact more Europeans than Finns are.
    But of course you are. I think you've now truly deserved a biscuit or something for your campaign efforts.

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