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    I've been tested positive for K1a29a. It seems to be very rare, and probably from Middle East (5000 years ago).

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    One Azeri, one Ashkenazi, and you. That's an unusual dataset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J1 DYS388=13 View Post
    One Azeri, one Ashkenazi, and you. That's an unusual dataset.
    Yes, quite unusual given my lack of Middle Eastern/Caucasian/Jewish ancestry.

    My most distant ancestor in female line lived around 1600 in a (then) small town in Haute Loire (Auvergne-Rhone Alpes, SE of France), around 100 km West of Valence. So not very far away from known jewish communities (in late Antiquity and Medieval times).

    But difficult to conclude anything without more samples. In any cases, K1a29a is too old to be specific to a single ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    I've been tested positive for K1a29a. It seems to be very rare, and probably from Middle East (5000 years ago).
    Are you the one in the FTDNA K project? There I see one K1a29a with oldest matrilineal ancestor from France, and a K1a29 from Germany.

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    Neolithic haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    Are you the one in the FTDNA K project? There I see one K1a29a with oldest matrilineal ancestor from France, and a K1a29 from Germany.
    Yes, I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logistic View Post
    Neolithic haplogroup?
    I don't think so. K1a29a is too young to have been related to Neolithic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    I don't think so. K1a29a is too young to have been related to Neolithic.
    Where did you see an estimate of its age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J1 DYS388=13 View Post
    Where did you see an estimate of its age?
    I don't have it at hand.

    Anyway, K1a29 is around 6100 years old:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3179362/
    (look at supp data 2)

    Obviously, K1a29a is younger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    I don't have it at hand.

    Anyway, K1a29 is around 6100 years old:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3179362/
    (look at supp data 2)

    Obviously, K1a29a is younger.
    I can't find any reference to K1a29 in that paper. I think you are referring to Costa et al. 2013, https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

    I can see one problem with those ages in Costa 2013. The age of K1a10a is estimated at 2300 years, yet a K1a10a skeleton was subsequently dated at approx. 5455 years old.

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