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    Quote Originally Posted by Patarames View Post
    Great graphs ph2ter.

    They tell an amazing story, especially these graphs:



    Note the relative minimums at exactly Basques and Latvians, as well as the Saami in Europe --> Those key groups that speak non-IE languages.
    Uralic groups except the Komi are Eurasian minimums. Anatolia_IA would be the oldest known attested area for IE languages: Hittite

    .....

    In total these are remarkable details confirmed by these graphs.

    Maybe Steppe proponents can do a similar analysis for Steppe graphs.
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    I agree that these graphs tell the amazing story.
    But regarding the IE languages I think that the next three graphs are relevant for the IE vector:







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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Thank you.
    I agree that these graphs tell the amazing story.
    But regarding the IE languages I think that the next three graphs are relevant for the IE vector:







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    Well my argumentation pillars are significantly more prominently visible in the graphs I uses.
    There is significantly more ambiguity in the graphs you used (e.g same levels for Italy and Basque, and Estonia - Romania).

    My argumentation pillars are more than just coincidence. Basically only Hungarians are not showing relative minimum as a non-IE speaking European population but we know from history that their case is one of elite dominance. A similar case can be made for Finns and their Scandinavian IE admixture.

    Basques, Estonians and Saami on the other hand have been non-IE from earliest attested sources.

    Anyway thanks for contesting my interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patarames View Post
    Well my argumentation pillars are significantly more prominently visible in the graphs I uses.
    There is significantly more ambiguity in the graphs you used (e.g same levels for Italy and Basque, and Estonia - Romania).

    My argumentation pillars are more than just coincidence. Basically only Hungarians are not showing relative minimum as a non-IE speaking European population but we know from history that their case is one of elite dominance. A similar case can be made for Finns and their Scandinavian IE admixture.

    Basques, Estonians and Saami on the other hand have been non-IE from earliest attested sources.

    Anyway thanks for contesting my interpretation.
    Minimum in Estonia has nothing to do with IE. It is well known Baltic drift that developed in BA. I think that Baltic people were always part of the core of IE culture. Estonians are genetically very similar to their Baltic neighbors Latvians and Lithuanians.
    Italy has many non-IE southeast inputs, but its language came from the north (Italo-Celtic language affinities).
     
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    Can you make maps on the newly released Middle-Eastern samples?

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    Can you make maps on the newly released Middle-Eastern samples?
    Good idea, I'd love one of these

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    It is a great and praiseworthy work
    If possible, leave the results as text
    Thank you very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by sum1 View Post
    Can you make maps on the newly released Middle-Eastern samples?
    Which ones? There are many of them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Which ones? There are many of them.



    Could you do the Elba and Alalakh samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sum1 View Post
    Could you do the Elba and Alalakh samples?
    Ebla samples ETM001 to ETM026.
    For Alalakh choose some, because there are too many of them.











     
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    Awesome,thanks. could you please try with Rakhigarhi sample(IVC)?

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