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    nMonte3 & Correlating ancient DNA with Tacitus' Germania

    EDIT:

    For this I used "R" and nMonte3 as opposed to the online runners.

    Introduction

    There has been many a boon over the years with regard to the acquisition and analysis of ancient human DNA. Aside from having readily available data, entities such as the Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project have gone even farther by processing it - resulting in a Global25 data-set consisting of 2,295 ancient individuals. Because of this, individuals who have Global25 coordinates for themselves can be modeled as a mixture of actual ancient humans in R using the nMonte3 tool-set. In this post, I'm attempting to model ancestry within the context of Tacitus' Germania; there are some obvious hurdles, given the very blurry lines between the folk of interest.

    Making the Source File

    The goal is to reduce nMonte's "cognitive load", and for it to perform faster while mitigating the loss of accuracy. One way to prune data, in the process of making effective source files, is to use PCA. An individual bearing the pseudonym Vahaduo has made an online PCA runner for visualizing Global25 data. I used this runner to plot myself, and both of my parents, in order to see who our nearest neighbors are.

    PCA_Global25_Me&Parents_with_Context.jpg

    The visualization is self-explanatory, and it gives me guidance in the act of choosing what kind of ancient samples to use in my source file. Preferably the source file will include groups such as the Anglo-Saxons, Franks, Longobards, Romano-Britons, ancient Gaels, etc.

    • Note: Given the prevalence of Germans & Belgians around our French neighbors, I presume that these particular French are Moselle Franconian or something similar; a different kind of French than Mediterranean Coastal sort or Pyrene.
    • Out of the total 2,295 samples, only 48 were retained. This is the roster and associated PCA(s):

    • Attempting to divide these guys into subgroups is an attempt to split cunt hairs -_-
    • I also included a PCA with Imperial Romans to show how dissimilar a distantly related population is to the retained Northern Europeans.


    Ancient Insular Celtic -

     
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0156
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0160
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0789
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:M1489
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:3DT16
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT18
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT21
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT22
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT3
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_LBA:I5383
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:ORE-A1
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:SSG-A4
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2859
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2860
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2861
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I3130
    Celtic_IRL_BA:rath1
    Celtic_IRL_BA:rath3


    Celtic_PCA_Global25.jpg

    Germanics:

    Germanic_All_PCA_Global25.jpg
    Ancient North Germanic -

     
    North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_NorseAV-A9
    North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_Norse:NNM-A1
    North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_Norse:VDP-A5
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97026
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97029
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kls001
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm045
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm161
    North_Germanic_SWE_IA:RISE174


    Ancient North-Sea Celtogermanic Ingaevone -

     
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0157
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0159
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0161
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0774
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0777


    Ancient Weser-Rhine Germanic Istvaeone -

    *There were no blatant "Franks" among the data, so I used Westward oriented Longobards as a proxy. Given historical alliances and confederations, the substitution doesn't seem too unreasonable.

     
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno:CL63
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ23
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ24
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ3
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38


    Ancient Elbe-Germanic Irminone -

     
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro:AED_113 5
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro:STR_486
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _220
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _228
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longoba rd_Szolad:SZ11
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longoba rd_Szolad_o2:SZ25


    Imperial Roman -

    Imperial_Roman_PCA_Global25.jpg

    Results

    Father -
     
    [1] "distance%=1.4452"

    Dad_scaled

    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23,31.2
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0161,16.5
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ3,13.1
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:SSG-A4,10.7
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38,10.3
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0157,7.7
    North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_NorseAV-A9,4.6
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:ORE-A1,2.7
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97026,2. 6
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kls001,0 .6

    Summary

    Romano-Briton 31.2%
    Celtogermanic-Ingaevone 24.2%
    Weser-Rhine-Istvaveone 23.4%
    Gaelic 13.4%
    North-Germanic 7.8%

    Mother -
     
    [1] "distance%=1.6713"

    Mom_scaled

    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno:CL63,29.7
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:ORE-A1,22.2
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38,17.7
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ3,12.4
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23,8.7
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _220,4.6
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _228,3.5
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro:AED_113 5,1.1
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:SSG-A4,0.1

    Summary

    Weser-Rhine-Istvaveone 59.8%
    Gaelic 22.3%
    Elbe-Germanic-Irminone 9.2%
    Romano-Briton 8.7%

    Me -
     
    [1] "distance%=1.5973"

    Me_scaled

    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38,28.6
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23,26.2
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ3,26.2
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT18,13.1
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0789,4
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:SSG-A4,1.2
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kls001,0 .7

    Summary

    Weser-Rhine-Istvaveone 54.8%
    Romano-Briton 43.3%
    Gaelic 1.2%
    North-Germanic 0.7%

    Here are the coordinates for use in a source-file:

     
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0156,0.132035,0.13811 2,0.057699,0.053295,0.038776,0.017291,0.001645,0.0 03,0.007976,0.00328,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.015609,-0.017478,0.025108,0.011403,0.001434,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.006503,0.00836,-0.005812,-0.004437,0.013496,-0.005029
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0160,0.129758,0.13608 1,0.059585,0.050388,0.03416,0.023427,0.002585,0.00 923,0.002045,0.003827,-0.007632,0.009741,-0.016204,-0.018992,0.019951,-0.006099,-0.015776,0.008995,0.007542,0.003126,0.004243,0.001 607,0.006409,0.012411,-0.000479
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0789,0.136588,0.12491 ,0.062979,0.048127,0.0397,0.016733,0.009635,-0.000692,0.005727,-0.001093,-0.008931,0,0.000149,-0.020506,0.006786,0.020817,0.008996,0.000507,0.003 017,0.007629,0.001373,0.001607,-0.004807,0.010122,0.007784
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:M1489,0.12862,0.123895 ,0.060339,0.040375,0.027697,0.023148,0.005405,0.00 3231,0.001227,0.010752,0.005684,0.007343,-0.010406,-0.016928,0.020222,0.014054,0.01017,-0.004561,0.00352,-0.001626,0.001622,0.003586,-0.001972,0.00964,-0.000479
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:3DT16,0.126344,0.14319,0. 065619,0.057171,0.038469,0.021196,0.00141,-0.001154,0.008385,0.009659,0.003248,0.002997,-0.012785,-0.009358,0.014115,0.001061,-0.007953,0.003041,0.002011,-0.006753,0.005865,0.005935,-0.001479,0.007953,-0.000479
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT18,0.125205,0.142174,0 .058454,0.050388,0.046162,0.021196,0.0047,0.008538 ,-0.000818,0.005103,0.000487,0.012589,-0.017393,-0.020368,0.023887,0.006762,-0.005346,-0.003041,0.012444,0.001,0.007986,0.000866,-0.00419,0.013857,-0.003353
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT21,0.126344,0.12491,0. 061471,0.047804,0.027697,0.013945,0.005405,0.00992 3,-0.00225,-0.000911,-0.019487,0.012589,-0.011447,-0.007707,0.019951,0.006099,-0.008345,-0.003927,0.002765,0.003752,0.002246,0.001237,0.003 697,0.002289,-0.001317
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT22,0.125205,0.140143,0 .061094,0.045866,0.038776,0.014223,0.004935,0.0050 77,0.003068,0.000729,-0.004872,0.001349,-0.01115,-0.016928,0.016015,0.000796,0.000652,0.003927,0.006 159,0,0.003993,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.00012,-0.000359
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23,0.126344,0.141159,0 .060339,0.046512,0.036622,0.009482,0.005405,0.0080 77,0.00225,0.001458,-0.008607,0.006744,-0.016055,-0.007019,0.030944,-0.003845,-0.018906,0.004181,-0.003268,0.012506,0.004492,-0.004081,-0.010476,0.008917,-0.001916
    Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT3,0.132035,0.13405,0.0 58077,0.050711,0.033237,0.029005,0.008225,0.003461 ,0.001023,-0.004556,-0.005034,0.005245,-0.017096,-0.005918,0.028908,-0.011403,-0.023469,0.001774,0.003142,0.006378,0.010731,0.000 124,-0.002588,0.011086,0.002874
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_LBA:I5383,0.119514,0.1167 86,0.056945,0.05814,0.031698,0.018686,0.00235,-0.003461,0.004909,-0.00656,-0.006496,0.003447,-0.025718,-0.004817,0.019544,0.02148,0.00352,-0.000253,-0.000126,0.006128,0.005989,-0.00272,-0.001602,0.012291,-0.004311
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:ORE-A1,0.133173,0.137096,0.058454,0.036499,0.037545,0. 025379,0.01034,0.013384,0.010022,0.003462,-0.010555,0.0003,-0.017542,-0.020093,0.026737,-0.004375,-0.031944,0.003421,0.001131,0.005628,-0.006738,-0.001731,0.002958,0.005904,0.002754
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:SSG-A4,0.121791,0.135065,0.068636,0.058786,0.03139,0.0 20638,-0.0047,0.006923,0.005522,0.010387,-0.002273,0.005995,-0.018731,-0.029451,0.033251,-0.002519,-0.007171,-0.00228,0.014707,0.005002,0.008859,0.008161,0.0046 83,0.020364,0.010658
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2859,0.130897,0.140143,0.0607 16,0.052649,0.042162,0.017291,0.00705,0.003692,0.0 0634,0.001822,-0.00682,0.004946,-0.019326,-0.016652,0.020765,0.018563,-0.009127,0.003421,0.004148,0.009379,0.008485,0.007 543,0.002711,0.006145,0.007784
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2860,0.136588,0.135065,0.0656 19,0.055233,0.040315,0.023985,0.00517,0.005077,0.0 00614,-0.002916,-0.005196,0.005545,-0.015907,-0.012524,0.020222,-0.003447,-0.01343,0.005574,-0.002388,-0.003877,0.001622,0.006801,-0.003451,0.002289,0.002994
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2861,0.124067,0.126941,0.0637 33,0.047481,0.032006,0.020638,0.000705,-0.001385,-0.00409,-0.005467,-0.005846,0.009591,-0.019772,-0.014175,0.025787,0.006895,-0.006519,0.005448,0.002765,-0.004377,0.004617,-0.001237,0.001232,0.004579,0.001916
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I3130,0.127482,0.132019,0.0622 25,0.055556,0.026159,0.015339,0.011516,0.004846,0. 004704,-0.004374,-0.006171,0.005845,-0.017096,-0.022295,0.03013,0.001458,-0.028293,0,0.008673,0.001,0.007861,0.004822,-0.001849,0.003856,0.003832
    Celtic_IRL_BA:rath1,0.125205,0.125926,0.062979,0.0 69445,0.025235,0.028168,0.004935,0.000462,0.001227 ,-0.007289,-0.002598,0.010341,-0.012636,-0.01156,0.023751,0.008884,-0.013299,0.010515,0.004274,0.007253,0.00262,0.0038 33,-0.001972,0.015424,-0.005029
    Celtic_IRL_BA:rath3,0.127482,0.13405,0.058454,0.05 9432,0.03416,0.016176,-0.00094,0.011538,0.004295,-0.004374,-0.000162,0.007044,-0.006838,-0.021607,0.022122,0.020419,0.005867,0.003421,-0.002011,0.002626,0.010606,0.009027,0.006532,0.006 627,-0.000838
    North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_NorseAV-A9,0.127482,0.12491,0.089,0.066861,0.043085,0.0231 48,0.004935,0.007615,-0.000818,-0.014397,0.004222,0.002248,-0.003419,0.001376,0.015472,0.009944,-0.002868,-0.000507,0.001885,0.004377,0.001747,0.001237,-0.0053,0.030366,-0.008861
    North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_Norse:NNM-A1,0.124067,0.125926,0.081081,0.078489,0.04647,0.0 18686,0.01034,0.018461,-0.001227,-0.006743,0,-0.007493,0.008176,-0.003991,0.020087,-0.000663,-0.00013,0.002787,0.00993,0.006878,-0.001373,0.009769,0,0.019159,0.012813
    North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_Norse:VDP-A5,0.122929,0.127957,0.076178,0.062339,0.032006,0. 020638,0.00564,0.009923,0.005522,-0.010387,0,0.007044,-0.00669,-0.016239,0.024701,0.019093,0.014603,0.005321,0.000 88,0.003377,0.010357,0.007172,0.002095,0.013255,-0.00491
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001,0. 133173,0.125926,0.076933,0.061047,0.041238,0.02119 6,0.002585,0.006461,0.000205,-0.012028,-0.000974,0.004046,-0.000297,-0.006331,0.018051,0.013259,0.009648,0.001647,-0.000754,0.00075,0.002371,0.000371,0.005176,0.0128 93,0.001437
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97026,0. 122929,0.133034,0.095412,0.071383,0.034776,-0.000279,0.014336,-0.001615,-0.011249,0.001458,0.010718,0.010491,0.001635,0.008 67,0.008958,-0.007425,-0.033639,0.008108,0.009553,-0.01013,0.00025,0.009645,0.007025,0.01699,-0.002874
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97029,0. 121791,0.111708,0.065996,0.056202,0.043393,0.01533 9,-0.00047,0.006923,0.00225,-0.016948,0.01088,0.001199,0.013677,-0.012799,0.014929,0.020286,0.007823,0.00038,-0.003771,0.002126,0.012478,0.003462,-0.014173,-0.006386,-0.003233
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021,0 .121791,0.118817,0.081081,0.067184,0.045239,0.0234 27,0.00752,0.012692,-0.005113,-0.014214,0.000487,0.002398,0.007433,0.001239,0.015 608,0.00305,-0.011474,0.001267,-0.002765,0.003502,0.01123,0.004822,0.00037,0.00879 6,-0.002275
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kls001,0 .125205,0.120848,0.075047,0.058786,0.040623,0.0267 74,0.00658,0.019153,0.00859,0.000911,-0.007145,-0.000899,-0.016501,-0.007432,0.022258,0.0118,-0.003651,-0.011275,0.013827,0.010255,0.012478,0.021268,-0.017131,0.012532,0.008502
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021,0 .125205,0.122879,0.065242,0.053295,0.041854,0.0278 89,0.00564,0.003461,0.005113,-0.002551,-0.007145,0.005695,-0.007582,-0.009771,0.012758,-0.008884,-0.017993,0.001394,0.007039,0.006253,-0.001996,0.005812,-0.002218,0.004097,0.001796
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026,0 .125205,0.128972,0.077687,0.070737,0.04647,0.02454 2,0.00987,0.009461,-0.000818,-0.010752,0.003897,0.004346,-0.002676,0.005092,0.004072,0.010872,0.001825,0.005 068,0.004777,0.004627,0.006738,0.000618,-0.000986,0.010483,0.000599
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm045,0 .129758,0.131003,0.084475,0.078489,0.041546,0.0206 38,-0.004465,0.017768,-0.005931,-0.011663,-0.011854,0.007493,-0.006244,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.005038,-0.015255,-0.005321,0.00176,0.008004,0.008235,-0.004328,-0.003944,0.005302,-0.012214
    North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm161,0 .126344,0.118817,0.062225,0.06137,0.034468,0.02147 5,0.010105,0.011769,-0.004704,-0.00656,-0.003735,0.00015,-0.005798,-0.007294,0.014386,0.019491,0.019427,0.005068,0.006 159,0.020385,0.008984,0.00779,0.000863,0.023618,0. 005628
    North_Germanic_SWE_IA:RISE174,0.122929,0.123895,0. 067127,0.058463,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615 ,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.00284 4,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0157,0.1297 58,0.140143,0.065996,0.059109,0.037853,0.019801,0. 00752,0.007615,0.006749,-0.00656,-0.006496,0.008992,-0.009217,-0.01156,0.028908,0.007955,-0.006258,0.000253,0.008045,0.009755,0.003619,-0.003215,-0.005176,0.025666,-0.002874
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0159,0.1308 97,0.135065,0.062979,0.053618,0.038161,0.023148,0. 00329,0.006461,0.001023,-0.000729,-0.001299,0.006894,-0.014569,-0.010322,0.028366,0.010342,-0.007432,0.000507,0.004525,0.008254,0.001373,0.007 296,-0.005916,0.012773,0.003592
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0161,0.1286 2,0.13405,0.061848,0.048127,0.04647,0.020638,0.004 465,0.005077,0.006749,0.004738,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.006987,-0.012799,0.024158,0.006895,0.004563,0.0019,0.00364 5,0.005503,0.002246,-0.00272,0.006779,0.016267,0.003233
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0774,0.1343 11,0.13405,0.054305,0.051034,0.038161,0.014223,0.0 13161,0.007615,0.001227,0.003462,-0.004709,0.002548,-0.00446,-0.008257,0.018051,0.009016,-0.01004,0.005448,0.005908,0,0.002246,0.000371,0.00 0863,0.016267,-0.00467
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0777,0.1354 49,0.136081,0.063356,0.050388,0.040315,0.019522,0. 006345,0.009461,0.01084,0.000182,-0.005196,0.001349,-0.003271,-0.020781,0.017101,0.020551,0.00326,0.002154,0.0047 77,0.008129,0.003993,0.00643,-0.00949,0.011929,-0.002754
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ23,0.12862,0.140143,0.053174,0 .035853,0.037853,0.002231,0.002115,0.006231,0.0028 63,0.007836,-0.010393,-0.003297,-0.005798,-0.010735,0.006379,0.009679,-0.004042,0.003421,0.005279,-0.0005,-0.002121,0.007666,0.004067,0.011688,0.000479
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ24,0.134311,0.132019,0.053551, 0.040698,0.038776,0.010598,-0.00282,0.000692,0.001023,-0.001458,-0.010068,0.002997,-0.013379,0.001514,0.013843,0.019225,-0.00013,-0.005068,0.002137,0.009129,-0.007612,0.005935,0.001849,0.008796,-0.001078
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ3,0.132035,0.141159,0.04978,0. 035853,0.038776,0.01255,0.00235,0.006231,0.006749, 0.01549,-0.003248,0.01109,-0.015907,-0.000688,0.005293,0.018563,0.023208,0.005954,0.004 902,-0.001376,0.001747,0.009521,0.001109,0.014942,-0.003592
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38,0.12862,0.140143,0.057322,0 .03553,0.042162,0.016176,0.00047,-0.000923,0.003681,0.006378,-0.000812,0.003597,-0.011298,-0.00867,0.006786,0.001724,-0.017993,0.001774,0.003645,0.003126,0.010232,0.009 027,0.000123,0.011447,0.003473
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno:CL63,0.124067,0.145221,0.04902 6,0.024548,0.040623,0.011156,0.00423,0.005077,0.00 3272,0.005832,-0.001137,-0.00045,-0.009663,-0.000413,0.006786,-0.003978,-0.019036,-0.001647,0.002263,-0.009004,0.004866,0.006554,-0.001602,0.005181,0.004311
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro:AED_113 5,0.110408,0.132019,0.036204,0.039729,0.022466,0.0 08925,0.011751,0.006461,-0.00409,0.001822,-0.007145,0.003297,-0.001487,-0.004129,-0.003257,-0.004906,-0.006258,0.006714,0.009553,0.010755,-0.000998,0.006677,0.013804,0.003735,0.003233
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro:STR_486 ,0.120652,0.137096,0.04714,0.055233,0.042162,0.020 638,0.008695,0.011999,0.010431,-0.005467,-0.002923,-0.006894,-0.017245,0.005367,0.007193,-0.002121,-0.028293,-0.002534,0.010559,0.008379,0.007237,0.001484,-0.01972,0.011568,-0.001078
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _220,0.121791,0.132019,0.051288,0.04199,0.037238,0 .015618,0.013396,0.009461,-0.001636,-0.002916,-0.014128,-0.001499,-0.00996,0.002477,0.014386,-0.003845,-0.004563,-0.000127,0.001508,0.012006,0.003369,0.003957,0.002 588,0.011568,-0.003952
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _228,0.121791,0.122879,0.038466,0.022933,0.023081, 0.00753,-0.008695,0.011999,-0.00409,0.004556,0.012179,-0.008243,0.000297,0.003303,0.009365,0.008486,-0.003781,0.004941,0.006913,0.009004,-0.001872,-0.004575,0.013188,0.00012,-0.003113
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longoba rd_Szolad:SZ11,0.134311,0.137096,0.058454,0.047481 ,0.038776,0.02008,0.00752,0.002308,-0.004704,-0.008747,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.010406,-0.006744,0.015201,0.012729,0.004824,0.000253,0.000 503,0.004502,0.000125,0.004328,-0.001109,0.011688,-0.005508
    Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longoba rd_Szolad_o2:SZ25,0.114961,0.106631,0.048649,0.042 959,0.028313,0.013387,0.011281,0.017768,-0.001432,-0.010023,-0.002436,0.006444,-0.01219,0.007156,0.018051,0.002387,0.00013,0.00848 8,0.011816,0.002876,0.010482,-0.000866,0.006039,0.005302,-0.000239
    Last edited by Telfermagne; 12-08-2019 at 11:14 PM.
    Ich verstehe nicht.

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  3. #2
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    France Bretagne Kroaz Du France Bretagne
    Great post, thank you. To try to answer your question (atleast partially), Northern France is quite distinguishable from Southern France and shifted towards Belgium / West Germany. Belgian samples almost entirely fit into the French cluster. See images below:
    dr3zp5E.png
    G25_North_Euro_PCA.png

    Also, an observation: I believe that French57 and its surroundings could be Bretons or maybe Normands. This is were I stand on the G25 PCA for comparison
    aHr57xW.png


    Now, here are my Vahaduo results using your coordinates:
     
    Target: Urheimat_scaled | ADC: NO
    Distance: 1.7029% / 0.01702887
    27.2 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    21.8 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    21.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    15.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    14.2 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno

    Target: Urheimat_scaled
    Distance: 1.7151% / 0.01715136 | ADC: 0.25x
    27.6 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    27.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    18.2 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    14.8 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    11.4 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno
    0.6 Celtic_Scotland_LBA

    Target: Urheimat_scaled
    Distance: 1.7725% / 0.01772524 | ADC: 0.5x
    35.8 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    33.8 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    19.2 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    4.4 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno
    3.6 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    3.2 Celtic_Scotland_LBA

    Target: Urheimat_scaled
    Distance: 1.9546% / 0.01954606 | ADC: 1x
    44.2 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    42.6 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    10.2 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    3.0 Celtic_Scotland_LBA

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  5. #3
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    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b>L617 (England)
    mtDNA (M)
    J1c5 (N.Ire)

    United States of America England Wales Northern Ireland Scotland Normandie
    Distance to: Garimund_scaled
    0.03182859 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23
    0.03333049 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT22
    0.03676446 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38
    0.03752801 Celtic_England_Brittonic:3DT16
    0.03881437 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno:CL63
    0.04081728 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0160
    0.04169644 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2860
    0.04250302 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT18
    0.04343645 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ23
    0.04433123 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0159
    0.04477259 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _220
    0.04496108 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0156
    0.04499100 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:ORE-A1
    0.04521862 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2859
    0.04540729 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2861
    0.04540973 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0161
    0.04542374 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0774
    0.04566368 North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
    0.04575561 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT21
    0.04598256 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT3
    0.04768625 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I3130
    0.04992210 North_Germanic_SWE_IA:RISE174
    0.05197326 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ24
    0.05202428 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0777
    0.05213176 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longoba rd_Szolad:SZ11

    No ADC:
    Target: Garimund_scaled
    Distance: 2.4594% / 0.02459444
    73.0 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    27.0 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno

    Target: Garimund_scaled
    Distance: 2.5296% / 0.02529604 | ADC: 1x
    83.6 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    16.4 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno
    AncestryDNA results:
    England, Wales, & NW Europe 73%
    Ireland & Scotland 18%
    Germanic Europe 5%
    France 3%
    Cameroon, Congo 1%

    23&me results:
    British & Irish 62.9%
    French & German 15.0%
    Scandinavian 0.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European 19.4%
    Broadly Southern European 0.9%
    Broadly European 0.1%
    Sub-Saharan African 0.7%

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    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b>L617 (England)
    mtDNA (M)
    J1c5 (N.Ire)

    United States of America England Wales Northern Ireland Scotland Normandie
    My mother:

    Distance to: Garimund_mother_scaled
    0.03463105 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0160
    0.03467565 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38
    0.03512709 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:ORE-A1
    0.03642228 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT22
    0.03795231 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno:CL63
    0.03830024 Celtic_England_Brittonic:3DT16
    0.03898908 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23
    0.03985576 North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
    0.04061044 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2860
    0.04176663 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ23
    0.04214347 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT3
    0.04280030 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2861
    0.04282852 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I3130
    0.04284403 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT21
    0.04355933 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0774
    0.04364645 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _220
    0.04526321 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0159
    0.04540402 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2859
    0.04548395 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT18
    0.04615078 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0156
    0.04652339 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0161
    0.04854217 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:M1489
    0.04951754 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ24
    0.05094936 North_Germanic_SWE_IA:RISE174
    0.05127994 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longoba rd_Szolad:SZ11

    No ADC:
    Target: Garimund_mother_scaled
    Distance: 2.3018% / 0.02301818
    41.4 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    30.2 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    12.2 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD
    9.6 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno
    6.6 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro

    Target: Garimund_mother_scaled
    Distance: 2.5214% / 0.02521377 | ADC: 1x
    37.6 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    20.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    18.8 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    12.2 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno
    11.0 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    AncestryDNA results:
    England, Wales, & NW Europe 73%
    Ireland & Scotland 18%
    Germanic Europe 5%
    France 3%
    Cameroon, Congo 1%

    23&me results:
    British & Irish 62.9%
    French & German 15.0%
    Scandinavian 0.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European 19.4%
    Broadly Southern European 0.9%
    Broadly European 0.1%
    Sub-Saharan African 0.7%

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    Y-DNA (P)
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    H10

    France Bretagne France Bretagne Kroaz Du
    Target: Youenn_scaled
    Distance: 1.4653% / 0.01465329 | ADC: NO
    38.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    33.8 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    14.4 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD
    13.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic_LBA

    Target: Youenn_scaled
    Distance: 1.4675% / 0.01467472 | ADC: 0.25x
    39.2 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    34.8 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    13.2 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD
    12.8 Celtic_England_Brittonic_LBA

    Target: Youenn_scaled
    Distance: 1.5372% / 0.01537207 | ADC: 0.5x
    42.8 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    41.0 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    9.0 Celtic_England_Brittonic_LBA
    7.2 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD

    Code:
    Distance to:	Youenn_scaled
    0.02982043	Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longobard_Szolad:SZ24
    0.03044822	Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0156
    0.03075884	Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:M1489
    0.03092746	Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0161
    0.03133269	Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longobard_Szolad:SZ3
    0.03476713	Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longobard_Szolad:SZ11
    0.03493600	Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0789
    0.03500314	Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longobard_Szolad:SZ23
    0.03591936	Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0777
    0.03690942	Celtic_IRL_BA:rath3
    0.03713285	Celtic_England_Brittonic_LBA:I5383
    0.03784814	Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0774
    0.03828466	Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT22
    0.03904321	Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2859
    0.04041480	Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT21
    0.04136111	Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0159
    0.04166151	Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2861
    0.04299761	Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT18
    0.04388941	Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR_220
    0.04522293	Celtic_England_Brittonic:3DT16
    0.04630245	Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longobard_Szolad:SZ38
    0.04644242	North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
    0.04691880	North_Germanic_ISL_Viking_Age_Norse:VDP-A5
    0.04730265	Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0157
    0.04791760	North_Germanic_SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm161
    Considering my ancestries, it seems accurate.
    50% Breton - 50% Lorrain

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    K1

    England Scotland Ireland Prussia Italy Two Sicilies United States of America
    And mine:

    Target: JMcB_scaled
    Distance: 1.4376% / 0.01437584 | ADC: 0.25x

    38.0 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Szolad
    37.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    9.2 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon
    9.0 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    6.0 Celtic_Scotland_LBA
    0.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA


    &


    Target: JMcB_scaled
    Distance: 1.5184% / 0.01518350 | ADC: 0.5x

    40.8 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    38.2 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Szolad
    14.6 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon
    6.4 Celtic_Scotland_LBA
    Last edited by JMcB; 12-09-2019 at 03:38 AM.
    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >A13252/YSEQ (circa 1630 AD).

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    Thanks for sharing, everyone. Have any of y'all done the run in nMonte3? I haven't gotten around to running the coordinates in the online runners yet to see if there's any differences; previously I've had none show up when I use an unaltered source file, or a barely altered source file, but now that some of the samples have been renamed based upon their PCA location I'm expecting some differences.

    If there's any thoughts about who should be removed or added from the defined populations, I'm open to suggestions - this is a fluid thing, and I'm prone to missing things that others may catch.
    Ich verstehe nicht.

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    Target: Tchek_scaled
    Distance: 2.2685% / 0.02268536
    68.4 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno
    16.8 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    5.8 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    5.6 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    3.4 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telfermagne View Post
    Thanks for sharing, everyone. Have any of y'all done the run in nMonte3? I haven't gotten around to running the coordinates in the online runners yet to see if there's any differences; previously I've had none show up when I use an unaltered source file, or a barely altered source file, but now that some of the samples have been renamed based upon their PCA location I'm expecting some differences.

    If there's any thoughts about who should be removed or added from the defined populations, I'm open to suggestions - this is a fluid thing, and I'm prone to missing things that others may catch.
    Here’s a run on Poi’s FreeForm Runner. Which I usually prefer because I can control the parameters a little better than I can on Vahaduo

    JMcB_scaled_default
    1000 cycles
    500 batches

    Fit: 1.4732

    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad: 38
    Celtic_England_Brittonic": 35.8
    Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon: 9.2
    Celtic_Scotland_LBA: 6.4
    Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic: 4.6
    Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA: 3.6
    Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno: 2
    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >A13252/YSEQ (circa 1630 AD).

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    Dad's results:

    Target: DewslothDad_scaled
    Distance: 1.7142% / 0.01714169
    38.4 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno
    33.0 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad
    9.8 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic
    6.4 Celtic_England_Brittonic
    5.0 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA
    3.8 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro
    3.6 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD

    His 10 closest in distance:
    Distance to: DewslothDad_scaled
    0.02862832 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ23
    0.02963518 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_ITA_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Collegno:CL63
    0.03167370 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ38
    0.03568074 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT22
    0.03716354 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro_ACD:STR _220
    0.03760620 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ24
    0.03868755 Weser_Rhine_Germanic_Istvaeone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro _Longobard_Szolad:SZ3
    0.04001885 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0774
    0.04065316 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:M1489
    0.04149829 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0161
     

    0.04213573 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_HUN_MA_>70%_NW_Euro_Longoba rd_Szolad:SZ11
    0.04409000 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT23
    0.04431686 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0156
    0.04461199 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT21
    0.04496205 Celtic_England_Brittonic:3DT16
    0.04568691 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2859
    0.04615830 Celtic_England_Brittonic:6DT18
    0.04633466 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0159
    0.04657684 Celtogermanic_Ingaevone_England_Saxon:I0777
    0.04667699 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0160
    0.04688823 Elbe_Germanic_Irminone_DEU_MA_>70%_NC_Euro:AED_113 5
    0.04802727 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2861
    0.04834299 Celtic_England_Brittonic_IA:I0789
    0.04911230 Celtic_Scotland_LBA:I2860
    0.04939600 Celtic_ISL_Viking_Age_Gaelic:ORE-A1
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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