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    The Vikings in Ireland

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    The Vikings in Ireland

    Anne-Christine Larsen
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    The various authors & The Viking Ship Museum in Roskilde, Denmark 2001

    Cover:
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    Link:
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    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    My mtdna comes from the south coast of Ireland...well, before it came to America...and there are many J1c2b samples in Denmark according to the YFull tree...Sons of Lagertha: Celtic Chapter

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    This might be of interest to some:


    The Vikings in Ireland

    Anne-Christine Larsen
    Editor

    The various authors & The Viking Ship Museum in Roskilde, Denmark 2001

    Cover:
    https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/735...f8195fb552.jpg


    Link:
    https://www.academia.edu/6765238/The...ard=view-paper
    Thank you so much for this JMcB. It not only has information about Vikings but a wealth of information about Ireland in general. A fascinating read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Thank you so much for this JMcB. It not only has information about Vikings but a wealth of information about Ireland in general. A fascinating read.
    It was my pleasure, Jesse! I’m glad you liked it because that’s a good indicator, as I haven’t gotten around to reading any of it yet. Mostly because I’m swamped with books and audio books. Plus, I spend a lot of time here, too! Be that as it may, there are a lot of interesting articles in there, so I do plan on reading them soon.
    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    And you thought Game of Thrones was complex and internecine:

    The battle of Clontarf, though spectacular, was not a struggle between the Vikings and the Irish for the rule of Ireland. It did not alter irrevocably the status of Dublin: change came more gradually (Ó Corráin 1986). Rather, it was part of the great internal Irish struggle for sovereignty over the whole country. It dealt the Dál Cais kingship of Ireland a serious blow, but its effect was short- lived. Dublin, the prime mover, was fighting for its survival as a prosperous, self-governing and nearly autonomous city-state (with a rich hinter-land and with overseas interests in Man, Wales, north-western England, Scotland and the Western and Northern Isles) which Brian threatened to absorb and subordinate within the new kingdom of Ireland. He was doing to Dublin what Athelstan and his successors had done to York, and the Dub-liners resisted fiercely. But there is another aspect of the battle.
    The protagonists were closely related. Mael Sechnaill had been married to Sitric’s mother, Gormlaith and, therefore, was Sitric’s step-father. Donnchad, son of Brian, was the uterine brother of Sitric Silkenbeard and he was married to the daughter of the Viking ruler of Waterford. Two of Gormlaith’s three husbands were involved and, for good measure, her son, Sitric Silkenbeard, was married to a daughter of her former husband Brian. Brian, then, was stepfather and father-in-law of Sitric Silkenbeard and Donnchad,son of Brian, was first cousin of Sitric, who was brother-in-law of Olafr Tryggvasson, king of Norway.
    Clontarf was the most notable military conflict within this bilingual Irish and Viking elite of the late 10th and early 11th century that shared a common culture – political, literary and artistic.
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    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    And you thought Game of Thrones was complex and internecine:

    The Viking period in both Ireland and Britain is quite interesting to read about because of those reasons!

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    Thanks for the post and line! I am also very interested in Vikings in Ireland as my maternal line in my sig - T2b2b - my 3rd GGM Bridget Dana was probably from around Limerick/SW - and you can see in the T2b mtDNA project connections between Western Isles and Scandinavia - even a maternal line Doyle in another T2b2b (The name is an Anglicisation of the Irish Ó Dubhghaill /oːˈd̪ˠʊwəlʲ/, meaning "descendant of Dubhghall") - Dana is a rare surname I don't even really know what it means, but might mean something similar to feminine form of Dane? Or a Gaelic patronymic? Anyway that Viking in North Iceland was also T2b2b and I1... so I'm always up for a read about that time period!

    Concerning that close relations among those at Clontarf - I see the same with the tribal group of the O'Dwyers and Maguires in my family (and also Scottish Highland cousins) - the matches appear to go back into the 1600s like my Mom's early colonial families in that they were marrying 1st cousins etc and I still see distant cousin links to allied families - for the Maguires I see O'Donnells and O'Neills (and possibly MacDonald matches that really were MacDonnell in Norther Ireland), but I have many lines back to the MacDonalds so hard to be sure if that is it. Armstrongs of Gilknockie in the Scottish Borders also believe it or not (they are buried in Old Rossary with some Maguires outside Enniskillen) and I can find in mom and uncle O'Dwyer 5th or further cousins with Armstrong ancestry from Brooksboro in Fermanagh near Enniskillen and Tempo etc.

    Same with the O'Dwyers - I search the old records and see connections to O'Shea of Cloran and a quick search turned up 4th-5th cousins O'Shea and O'Shee from same areas of Ireland (around Tipp and Clare etc) and also O'Meaghers and McCarthys and McGraths from around Tipp and Clare and some descendants ended up in New South Wales! I have as many distant cousins from New South Wales as I have from Eastern Canada! Intermarriage was very common - I think in almost as many generations at least five O'Dwyer chieftains married women from the Butler family of Ormond!

    I'll take being a bit eccentric just to be able to see a bit further back into time into those tribal groups!

    Slainte,
    Charlie Cathal Dubh

    P.S. I am always on the look out for more info on Peterson Type Q swords - the same type found with my maternal kinsman in Iceland etc - generally a later Viking period sword - another found in Argyll and one near Limerick (and one of continental make handed down through generations never buried etc I read) - info on the Limerick Type Q sword here:http://sword-site.com/thread/1135/vi...-petersen-type

    If anyone has more info on Type Q or Viking period swords in general let me know!
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    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sílastaðir in Eyjafjarðarsýsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyP37 View Post
    My mtdna comes from the south coast of Ireland...well, before it came to America...and there are many J1c2b samples in Denmark according to the YFull tree...Sons of Lagertha: Celtic Chapter
    Similar with my maternal line... didn't know YFULL had a mtDNA tree - for T2b2b one Russian, Italian, then Scotland, Estonia and two Swedes (looks a bit Baltic minus the Italian line - would have to check with that person what the history is etc). I also like to check the T2(b) mtDNA project list from time to time for T2b2b:

    Mary McLean, b. 1734, Tiree, Argyll, SCT Scotland T2b2b
    Mary Ellen Kennedy b.1888 and d.1961 Ireland T2b2b
    Zsuzsanna Kis b. 1792 d.1871 Hungary T2b2b
    Mary Considine, b. 1851 Ireland T2b2b
    Ann Morgan b. 1815 d. 1895 England T2b2b
    Mary Ann Williams b.1830 Wales T2b2b
    Catherine Hardwick b. 1778-1844 England T2b2b
    Ms. Emily Botkin, b. 1837 and d. 1919 England T2b2b
    Jeanne Petit,b. c.1656,La Rochelle, France France T2b2b
    Benedicta Gecevicius b1902 kanaus, d1971 Kitchener Lithuania T2b2b
    Elizabeth Connelly b. 1840 Ire d. 1907 KY Ireland T2b2b
    Mary Welch, Boston, MA abt. 1900 Ireland T2b2b
    Helen Boyd, b. 1835 and d. 1874, Aberdeen, SCT Scotland T2b2b
    Karen Andrea Gudbrandsdtr 1839-1930 Nes AKR NO Norway T2b2b
    Mary Hirst b. 1808 United Kingdom T2b2b
    Margaret (Unknown) b 1815 IRE; d.1894 KY Ireland T2b2b
    Sally Doyle Ireland T2b2b
    Marit Olofsdotter, 1673- 1759, Frykerud (S) SWE Sweden T2b2b
    Helenora Campbell b. bef 1793/d.bef 22 Apr 1859 Scotland T2b2b
    Martha Krusman b. 1888 d. 1967 Estonia T2b2b
    Fancsaly Mária Hungary T2b2b
    Dorte Eriksdatter 1723-1802, Ibestad, TRO, NO Norway T2b2b
    Mary Unknown b.c.1823, Bantry, Co. Cork, Ireland Ireland T2b2b
    Herborg Ellingsd Medaas, b1713, Granvin, HRD, NO Norway T2b2b

    Those are the samples with origins at T2b mtDNA project (I just enlarge the size and search T2b2b*) - I don't see those Irish or many other ones at YFull etc... certainly a connection to Ireland and perhaps the Baltic/Scando? Also for a connection to Hungary (a couple in there) Bela III's kinsman buried near him had a maternal line of T2b2b1 - I am not terribly familiar with mtDNA - more of a Y-DNA guy - but plan on working on it later. I suppose there could be a thousand or more years between T2b2b and T2b2b1? Still Bela was Scandinavian on his maternal line - maybe his autosomal and Y-DNA kinsman was also? To bad we don't know who he is...

    Also might be a bit of an Isles testing bias...?!? At the very least the match with the Icelander pagan migrant is that we know it was banging around with Vikings at least 1000 years ago... I can say that much for sure :-)! That and my 3GGM from Ireland ties my line to the Western parts of Ireland and perhaps some Viking activity!

    Cheers!
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    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sílastaðir in Eyjafjarðarsýsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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