L21 in France

[Anglecynn]

Interesting, i bought access to the article, here are the frequencies for each location:
I'll make some of my own pie charts to better understand it a little later.
From:
Y-chromosomal DNA analysis in French male lineages
Authors: E. Ramos-Luis A. Blanco-Verea M. Bri´on V. Van
Huffel P. S´anchez-Diz A. Carracedo

Alsace (Strasbourg):

BD (SRY10831.1): 0%
E* (M96): 0%
E1b1b1* (M35): 0%
E1b1b1a (M78): 6.17%
E1b1b1b (M81): 0%
E1b1b1c* (M123): 0%
E1b1b1c1 (M34): 3.7%
F* (M213): 0%
G (M201): 3.7%
I* (M170): 7.41%
I2a2 (M26): 1.23%
J*(M304): 1.23%
J1a (M62): 0%
J2 (M172): 8.64%
K*(M9): 1.23%
L (M22): 0%
N1c (Tat): 0%
P* (92R7): 0%
R1* (M173): 0%
R1a (SRY10831.2): 3.7%
R1b1* (P25): 0%
R1b1b2* (M269): 19.75%
R1b1b2a1* (U106): 14.81%
R1b1b2a1a (U198): 0%
R1b1b2a2d (SRY2627): 1.23%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%
R1b1b2a2g (U152): 22.22%
T (M70): 4.94%


Auvergne (Clermont-Ferrand):
BD (SRY10831.1): 0%
E* (M96): 2.25%
E1b1b1* (M35): 0%
E1b1b1a (M78): 3.37%
E1b1b1b (M81): 5.62%
E1b1b1c* (M123): 0%
E1b1b1c1 (M34): 1.12%
F* (M213): 0%
G (M201): 8.99%
I* (M170): 3.37%
I2a2 (M26): 1.12%
J*(M304): 3.37%
J1a (M62): 0%
J2 (M172): 7.87%
K*(M9): 1.12%
L (M22): 0%
N1c (Tat): 0%
P* (92R7): 0%
R1* (M173): 0%
R1a (SRY10831.2): 5.62%
R1b1* (P25): 0%
R1b1b2* (M269): 31.46%
R1b1b2a1* (U106): 3.37%
R1b1b2a1a (U198): 0%
R1b1b2a2d (SRY2627): 1.12%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%
R1b1b2a2g (U152): 16.85%
T (M70): 3.37%

Bretagne (Rennes):
BD (SRY10831.1): 0%
E* (M96): 0%
E1b1b1* (M35): 0%
E1b1b1a (M78): 0%
E1b1b1b (M81): 0%
E1b1b1c* (M123): 0%
E1b1b1c1 (M34): 0%
F* (M213): 0%
G (M201): 1.74%
I* (M170): 12.17%
I2a2 (M26): 0.87%
J*(M304): 0.87%
J1a (M62): 0%
J2 (M172): 2.61%
K*(M9): 0%
L (M22): 0%
N1c (Tat): 0%
P* (92R7): 0%
R1* (M173): 0%
R1a (SRY10831.2): 0.87%
R1b1* (P25): 0%
R1b1b2* (M269): 68.7%
R1b1b2a1* (U106): 3.48%
R1b1b2a1a (U198): 0%
R1b1b2a2d (SRY2627): 2.61%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%
R1b1b2a2g (U152): 6.09%
T (M70): 0%


Île-de-France (Paris):
BD (SRY10831.1): 0%
E* (M96): 10.99%
E1b1b1* (M35): 0%
E1b1b1a (M78): 4.4%
E1b1b1b (M81): 5.49%
E1b1b1c* (M123): 0%
E1b1b1c1 (M34): 1.1%
F* (M213): 0%
G (M201): 4.4%
I* (M170): 6.59%
I2a2 (M26): 1.1%
J*(M304): 1.1%
J1a (M62): 0%
J2 (M172): 5.49%
K*(M9): 0%
L (M22): 0%
N1c (Tat): 1.1%
P* (92R7): 0%
R1* (M173): 0%
R1a (SRY10831.2): 2.2%
R1b1* (P25): 1.1%
R1b1b2* (M269): 31.87%
R1b1b2a1* (U106): 7.69%
R1b1b2a1a (U198): 0%
R1b1b2a2d (SRY2627): 1.1%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%
R1b1b2a2g (U152): 14.29%
T (M70): 0%


Midi-Pyrénées (Toulouse):
BD (SRY10831.1): 0%
E* (M96): 1.49%
E1b1b1* (M35): 1.49%
E1b1b1a (M78): 2.99%
E1b1b1b (M81): 1.49%
E1b1b1c* (M123): 0%
E1b1b1c1 (M34): 1.49%
F* (M213): 0%
G (M201): 4.48%
I* (M170): 8.96%
I2a2 (M26): 1.49%
J*(M304): 4.48%
J1a (M62): 0%
J2 (M172): 7.46%
K*(M9): 0%
L (M22): 0%
N1c (Tat): 0%
P* (92R7): 0%
R1* (M173): 0%
R1a (SRY10831.2): 2.99%
R1b1* (P25): 1.49%
R1b1b2* (M269): 31.34%
R1b1b2a1* (U106): 4.48%
R1b1b2a1a (U198): 0%
R1b1b2a2d (SRY2627): 7.46%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 1.49%
R1b1b2a2g (U152): 13.43%
T (M70): 1.49%
Seems like an errant M222 in Toulouse .
Nord-Pas-de-Calais (Lille):
BD (SRY10831.1): 0%
E* (M96): 1.43%
E1b1b1* (M35): 1.43%
E1b1b1a (M78): 5.71%
E1b1b1b (M81): 4.29%
E1b1b1c* (M123): 0%
E1b1b1c1 (M34): 0%
F* (M213): 0%
G (M201): 7.14%
I* (M170): 5.71%
I2a2 (M26): 4.29%
J*(M304): 0%
J1a (M62): 0%
J2 (M172): 5.71%
K*(M9): 0%
L (M22): 0%
N1c (Tat): 0%
P* (92R7): 0%
R1* (M173): 0%
R1a (SRY10831.2): 4.29%
R1b1* (P25): 2.86%
R1b1b2* (M269): 28.57%
R1b1b2a1* (U106): 8.57%
R1b1b2a1a (U198): 0%
R1b1b2a2d (SRY2627): 2.86%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%
R1b1b2a2g (U152): 17.14%
T (M70): 0%

Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur (Marseille):
BD (SRY10831.1): 2.22%
E* (M96): 0%
E1b1b1* (M35): 2.22%
E1b1b1a (M78): 8.89%
E1b1b1b (M81): 2.22%
E1b1b1c* (M123): 0%
E1b1b1c1 (M34): 0%
F* (M213): 0%
G (M201): 6.67%
I* (M170): 6.67%
I2a2 (M26): 2.22%
J*(M304): 0%
J1a (M62): 0%
J2 (M172): 6.67%
K*(M9): 0%
L (M22): 0%
N1c (Tat): 0%
P* (92R7): 4.44%
R1* (M173): 0%
R1a (SRY10831.2): 0%
R1b1* (P25): 2.22%
R1b1b2* (M269): 37.78%
R1b1b2a1* (U106): 0%
R1b1b2a1a (U198): 0%
R1b1b2a2d (SRY2627): 4.44%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%
R1b1b2a2g (U152): 11.11%
T (M70): 2.2%

[Dubhthach]

Interesting, i bought access to the article, here are the frequencies for each location:
I'll make some of my own pie charts to better understand it a little later.
From:
Y-chromosomal DNA analysis in French male lineages
Authors: E. Ramos-Luis A. Blanco-Verea M. Bri´on V. Van
Huffel P. S´anchez-Diz A. Carracedo
<<--snip--->>

For such a recent study (December 2013) it's a fairly piss-poor selection of SNP's. What no P312? No L21? (let alone No DF13?), No DF27? Ridiculous, no wonder the M269* figure is at 68.7% in Brittany!

Still thanks for posting the summary.

-Paul
(DF41+)

[TigerMW]

I'm opening this thread up as it is an important conversation so I'll move some related posts here.

[Anglecynn]

Thanks for moving it.

I'll upload some pie charts and things later on, there are some in the article, but they're not so clear.

[TigerMW]

Interesting, i bought access to the article, here are the frequencies for each location:
...
From:
Y-chromosomal DNA analysis in French male lineages
Authors: E. Ramos-Luis A. Blanco-Verea M. Bri´on V. Van
Huffel P. S´anchez-Diz A. Carracedo

Alsace (Strasbourg):
R1b1b2* (M269): 19.75%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%

Auvergne (Clermont-Ferrand):
R1b1b2* (M269): 31.46%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%

Bretagne (Rennes):
R1b1b2* (M269): 68.7%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%

Île-de-France (Paris):
R1b1b2* (M269): 31.87%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%

Midi-Pyrénées (Toulouse):
R1b1b2* (M269): 28.57%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%

Nord-Pas-de-Calais (Lille):
R1b1b2* (M269): 28.57%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%

Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur (Marseille):
R1b1b2* (M269): 37.78%
R1b1b2a2e (M222): 0%

The R1b1b2* (M269*) in the above represents Z2103+, L51*, L11*, P312*, DF99 and DF27xSRY2627 to go along with L21xM222.

M222 is basically negligible so we can look at the R1b1b* as the maximums for L21 in these regions. Z2103, L51*, L11*, DF99 probably only take up a couple of percentage points. That's a bit dangerous to assume, though. I don't think P312* is too big but that is also a bit dangerous.

That leaves primarily DF27xSRY2627 to deal with estimate/project the remainder being L21.

[Dubhthach]

My feeling is that DF27 makes up a big chunk of that M269*. If we look at busby there was significant chunks of what he defined as P312* (xL21, xU152, xSRY2627). In this day and age publishing a report like the above which doesn't even keep up with Busby (2011) is rather poor form if you ask me.

-Paul
(DF41+)

[rms2]

I'm running out of time to be on the computer this morning, so I don't have time to look things up, but wasn't Ramos-Luis et al updated with, at least, L21 results?

Maybe I am misremembering.

[TigerMW]

I'm running out of time to be on the computer this morning, so I don't have time to look things up, but wasn't Ramos-Luis et al updated with, at least, L21 results?

Maybe I am misremembering.

This is from their December 2013 report/update or whatever it was. This is only a few weeks old as far as publishing goes. No L21 in sight that I can see, just testing for M222.

They sorely need to test for L21 and DF27, at the least.

[Dubhthach]

I downloaded the Busby spreadsheet and created the following PNG, deleted some of the columns just left what I felt were relevant, beats typing it out anyways!



If that appears bit squashed browse directly to image here:
http://compsoc.nuigalway.ie/~dubhthach/france2.png

-Paul
(DF41+)

[alan]

Feels like someone should be spinning a truncheon and saying 'nothing to see here'