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    Quote Originally Posted by estesiquesabe View Post
    @Ruderico lo puedes probar conmigo?

    Xabier_scaled,0.114961,0.138112,0.042992,0.003876, 0.038469,-0.00251,0.001175,0.006231,0.015953,0.027153,-0.008607,0.006444,-0.01888,-0.015827,0.012893,0,0.007171,-0.01292,-0.001006,0.004377,-0.001996,-0.000124,0.003944,0.006145,0.006227

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    [1] "distance%=1.6544"

    Xabier

    NW_Iberia_IA,76.4
    Roman_Colonial,13
    Berber_EMA,8.2
    Germanic,2.4

    Pero mira que "NW_Iberia_IA" (y aquí también el "colonial) es algo completamente artificial porqué son un compuesto de referencias Ibericas+Britanicas, y Romanas+Levantinas. Las Britanicas son buenas para unos, pero no para otros. Hice un post sobre eso aqui (link) pero está en Portugués
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    [1] "distance%=1.6023"

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    Rome_Imperial,7
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    Distance: 2.4260% / 0.02426030
    56.8 IberianNorth
    22.2 IberianInsular
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    Quote Originally Posted by alejandromb92 View Post
    Hay un patron claro con el WHG, a nivel europeo y a nivel iberico, y es que mientras mas te vayas hacia el Pais Vasco, mas cantidad de WHG habra, seguido de el Noreste, luego de todo el cuadrante Este, y ya el resto de la peninsula, tendra algo menos, pero mas indo-europeo y mas iberomaurusiano. A nivel europeo, mientras mas te vayas hacia el Norte, pero sobretodo a zonas balticas, mas WHG habra, no por nada donde mas hay I1 es en la Fennoscandia, y donde mas hay I2, pues casi no hay WHG en bruto, sucede lo mismo en el Pais Vasco con el R1b y la falta de mezcla indo-europea. Esto ultimo, para mi es la cosa mas curiosa que hay en la genetica europea, y cuidado si no mundial, porque es la razon por la cual todavia se discute de donde pudo venir el R-L151, ya sabiendo con muchisima seguridad la respuesta.

    Tu haplogrupo indica occidentalidad, creeme que yo ya le he dado varias vueltas a esto del R-DF27 (y tambien al R-U152 y R-L21) y te puedo decir que la frecuencia que por lo general, el R-ZZ12 al cual perteneces, es un claro indicador que eres de poblaciones ibericas occidentales, ya sean gallegos, portugueses, asturianos o leoneses. Los castellanos vecinos a la Region Leonesa suelen dar positivo tambien por este clado, por aqui tenemos a Xabi de ejemplo, su linea paterna se traza hasta Valladolid. Es posible que un vasco o un catalan sean positivos en R-ZZ12 en vez del mas comun alli que es el R-Z195, pero es muy poco frecuente que suceda.

    Espero no aburrir.
    A ver, el contexto del post era occidentalidad ibérica, no europea. Por supuesto que DF27 y específicamente ZZ12 son más abundantes en Europa occidental, pero el clado Z225, si bien es mayoritariamente ibérico, no es necesariamente portugués o leonés. Lo encuentras de portugueses a vascos y en mallorquines. (También alemanes e ingleses).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    [1] "distance%=1.6544"

    Xabier

    NW_Iberia_IA,76.4
    Roman_Colonial,13
    Berber_EMA,8.2
    Germanic,2.4

    Pero mira que "NW_Iberia_IA" (y aquí también el "colonial) es algo completamente artificial porqué son un compuesto de referencias Ibericas+Britanicas, y Romanas+Levantinas. Las Britanicas son buenas para unos, pero no para otros. Hice un post sobre eso aqui (link) pero está en Portugués
    Muchas gracias Ruderico
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    Quote Originally Posted by rober_tce View Post
    Buenos días!!

    Como me picaba la curiosidad he confeccionado una calculadora de la Edad de los Metales, con referencias ibéricas, norteafricanas y levantinas. Probadla si queréis, particularmente no me da mal ajuste.

    He optado por poner el nombre de Imazighen a las muestras norteafricanas, ya que ese es el nombre con el que los propios bereberes se han conocido durante milenios.

    He intentado eliminar valores atípicos, sobre todo en las muestras levantinas, y dejar las más en rango posible.

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    Iberian Central:Iberia_Central_BA,0.1239044,0.1505886,0.059639,0.0003691,0.0686281,-0.0074901,-0.0052371,-0.0001319,0.0395609,0.0550354,-0.0029926,0.01291,-0.0243167,-0.019621,0.0066116,0.0103233,0.0156089,-0.0004163,-0.0021549,0.0007146,0.0115154,-0.0001766,-0.0088561,-0.020261,0.0028397
    Iberian East:Iberia_East_IA,0.1244941,0.1489018,0.0564739,0.0021802,0.0598572,-0.0031725,-0.0036426,0.0044711,0.0299882,0.0468802,-0.0047092,0.0111088,-0.0233585,-0.0145191,0.0078549,0.0056351,0.0067799,0.0016153,0.0038024,-0.0010318,0.0055682,-9.26e-05,-0.007364,-0.0123961,-0.0011226
    Iberian East:,0.0774,0.044683,0.105217,0.129201,0.11079,0.031236,0.00188,0.006231,0.088559,0.02442,-0.005359,-0.002847,0.008622,-0.013487,0.037459,0.041633,0.002217,0.006968,-0.015209,0.045772,0.063638,0.007914,-0.036481,-0.129054,0.013053
    Iberian Insular:Iberia_Formentera_MBA,0.120652,0.151314,0.048649,-0.002261,0.056934,-0.009203,-0.003995,0.004384,0.035792,0.058133,-0.001461,0.01079,-0.02438,-0.022845,0.004479,0.008884,0.012126,-0.001014,-0.003268,-0.002376,0.006114,0.000124,-0.000493,-0.01687,0.002275
    Iberian Insular:Iberia_Mallorca_EBA,0.120652,0.14319,0.056568,0.008398,0.054472,0,0,0.005077,0.023111,0.043008,-0.012179,0.014087,-0.027502,-0.017891,0.0076,0.006895,0.010691,-0.002914,0.003268,-0.011756,-0.001747,-0.006183,-0.016885,-0.006868,0.0097
    Iberian Insular:Iberia_Menorca_LBA,0.122929,0.153345,0.054305,0.001615,0.062165,-0.002231,-0.00376,0.002308,0.035178,0.05212,-0.005521,0.013938,-0.026016,-0.016377,0.015065,0.008618,0.002738,-0.004814,-0.004274,-0.004502,-0.001497,0.002473,-0.003821,-0.016147,-0.000599
    Iberian North:Iberia_North_BA,0.1242568,0.154699,0.0555627,0.004522,0.0679613,-0.002417,-0.0025068,0.0038458,0.0341553,0.0550352,-0.0043032,0.0096663,-0.0209117,-0.0154367,0.0064918,0.0047733,0.0091053,0.0049197,-0.0011732,-0.002522,0.0091712,0.0056468,-0.0093462,-0.0190388,0.003752
    Iberian North:Iberia_North_IA,0.125205,0.1431895,0.065053,0.0114665,0.058011,0.003347,-0.0034075,0.0045,0.026077,0.034989,-0.002192,0.0088425,-0.0169475,-0.0085325,0.0107215,6.65e-05,-0.008279,0.0008865,-0.000126,-0.00075,0.0082355,0.0023495,-0.0070865,-0.0118085,-0.0061075
    Iberian Northeast:Iberia_Northeast_BA,0.1263438,0.1502982,0.0608579,0.0031896,0.066897,-0.0059264,-0.0008225,-0.0004904,0.038834,0.055058,-0.0028212,0.0090484,-0.025644,-0.0184072,0.0007975,0.0107232,0.0113922,0.0003484,0.0009271,0.0039394,0.0108089,0.0023186,-0.0131569,-0.0163879,0.0003441
    Iberian Southeast:Iberia_Southeast_BA,0.1269128,0.1571532,0.055625,-0.0073482,0.0667815,-0.006763,-0.0067562,0.0053652,0.048063,0.0672453,-0.0018675,0.0116522,-0.0258298,-0.0177187,0.005225,0.0056685,0.0052478,-0.0016785,0.0006285,0.0003122,0.0087348,0.001082,-0.0048685,-0.0211775,-0.0010475
    Iberian Southwest:Iberia_Southwest_BA,0.1200835,0.1497905,0.050534,-0.0134045,0.064166,-0.0133865,-0.0019975,0.0047305,0.046018,0.062416,-0.003735,0.012214,-0.022894,-0.013212,0.0059715,-0.0007955,-0.0037815,-0.003864,0.001571,0.003064,0.0146615,0.0007415,-0.00758,-0.0265095,0.002215
    Imazighen:MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
    ImazighenMAR_LN,0.021626,0.148267,0.003394,-0.095285,0.047393,-0.054384,-0.027731,0.008769,0.083855,0.054124,0.020136,0.001798,0.002973,-0.028901,0.004343,0.009944,0.032726,-0.014062,-0.033938,-5e-04,-0.018343,-0.02201,0.011709,-0.009881,-0.004191
    Imazighen:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    Levantine:Levant_Hazor_MLBA,0.084988,0.151314,-0.064865,-0.1020683,-0.0106687,-0.0403463,-0.0060317,-0.0128457,0.0145893,0.0075323,0.0086607,-0.0108403,0.0207133,0.0021103,-0.0085957,0.0107397,-0.008388,0.0043917,0.002933,0.0077953,0.0061143,0.005317,-0.001438,-0.0017273,-0.0017163
    Levantine:Levant_JOR_EBA,0.0758823,0.147929,-0.0599623,-0.11402,-0.0056417,-0.0476903,-0.0108887,-0.013307,0.0336783,0.0075323,0.0157517,-0.0196823,0.041526,-0.0008717,-0.0031217,0.0228937,0.0018253,0.0010137,-0.0030583,0.0170917,0.0050743,0.011706,-0.0038617,0.0042577,-0.0071053
    Levantine:Levant_Beirut_IAII,0.089351,0.155376,-0.054494,-0.1002915,-0.0166185,-0.037511,-0.0069325,-0.004269,0.0197365,0.006925,0.009013,-0.0128885,0.0237115,0.0039225,-0.0147935,0.0129275,-0.0003255,0.002217,0.006662,0.0011255,-0.001248,0.005564,-0.00949,-0.002048,-0.001856
    Levantine:Levant_Beirut_IAIII,0.0879282,0.1524565,-0.0486488,-0.0910456,-0.0101942,-0.0317236,-0.0037306,-0.0098649,0.010124,0.0135538,0.0061304,-0.0041964,0.0116699,0.0030104,-0.0105864,0.0012099,1.64e-05,0.0007285,0.0025766,-0.0008755,0.0024332,0.0045751,-0.0034355,-0.0011446,-0.0020656
    Levantine:Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian,0.043253,0.146236,-0.0473285,-0.106106,0.0003075,-0.0390445,-0.011398,0,0.0419275,0.005467,0.0127475,-0.0149115,0.027725,0.000344,0.0021715,-0.0044415,-0.007497,-0.002914,-0.003582,0.008817,0.012416,0.0027825,-0.0020335,0.003976,-0.000479
    Aquí dejo mis resultados sin agregar y agregados:

    Target: Roberto_scaled
    Distance: 2.0080% / 0.02008047
    35.4 IberianInsular:Iberia_Mallorca_EBA
    33.0 IberianNorth:Iberia_North_IA
    15.4 IberianInsular:Iberia_Menorca_LBA
    13.4 Levantine:Levant_Hazor_MLBA
    2.8 Imazighen:MAR_EN

    Target: Roberto_scaled
    Distance: 2.0080% / 0.02008047
    50.8 IberianInsular
    33.0 IberianNorth
    13.4 Levantine
    2.8 Imazighen
    Target: Xabier_scaled
    Distance: 3.3180% / 0.03317964
    51.0 IberianInsular
    34.4 IberianNorth
    12.4 Levantine
    2.2 Imazighen
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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 3.7772% / 0.03777173
    55.2 Early_Anatolian_Farmer
    29.8 Western_Steppe_Herder
    12.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    2.2 Iberomaurusian

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 3.6676% / 0.03667587
    58.4 Early_Anatolian_Farmer
    28.2 Western_Steppe_Herder
    9.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    3.8 Iberomaurusian

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 4.8914% / 0.04891351
    53.0 Early_Anatolian_Farmer
    31.0 Western_Steppe_Herder
    13.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    2.2 Iberomaurusian
    Tener a vascos con 2.0+ iberomaurusian digo yo que claramente indica que casi la mitad o más del componente norteafricano es anterior a la invasión islámica.
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    Uhmm... No, debe irse la mayor parte a Levantine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadogowah View Post
    Tener a vascos con 2.0+ iberomaurusian digo yo que claramente indica que casi la mitad o más del componente norteafricano es anterior a la invasión islámica.
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    Uhmm... No, debe irse la mayor parte a Levantine
    Es más sencillo que eso, mi madre, que es la que es vasca, es alavesa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    Es más sencillo que eso, mi madre, que es la que es vasca, es alavesa.
    Bueno, eso es un poco la falacia del "true Scotsman"
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    Perdonad mi ignorancia, pero ¿los alaveses entonces son vascos "menos puros"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rober_tce View Post
    Perdonad mi ignorancia, pero ¿los alaveses entonces son vascos "menos puros"?
    La gran mayoría no son euskaldunes (no tienen al euskera como lengua materna) pero genéticamente son tan vascos como un vizcaino.

    De hecho me parece que los navarros (mayoritariamente no euskaldunes), son "más vascos" que los actuales ciudadanos de la comunidad autónoma vasca.
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