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Thread: Yamnaya-Like Khvalynsk Y-DNA J1

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    Yamnaya-Like Khvalynsk Y-DNA J1

    Ancient DNA, Mating Networks, and the Anatolian Split - Chapter by: David W. Anthony in the new book - "Dispersals and Diversification: Linguistic and Archaeological Perspectives on the Early Stages of Indo-European", we can read parts in Google Books.

    Mating Network #2: The Volga-Caucasus Network 4500-4000 BC

    The J1 male at Khvalynsk probably was linked to the South, since he belonged to the same Y-haplogroup as the CHG type specimen from Satsurblia Cave in Georgia, confirming affinity with CHG in the Khvalynski population.
    As always we can find ancient J1`s types related to PIE, just like in the BMAC core. J1 is a main native haplogroup in the Ancient Iranian Peoples and contributed to the newly admixed and derived populations from the Northern Steppes.
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    Anthony is talking out of his behind.

    Y-hg J1 was already present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.

    And everything needed to get Yamnaya, early Corded Ware, Sintashta etc. is native to Eastern Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Y-hg J1 was already present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.
    Do you have a link or reference to EEHG J1 samples?

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    Since J1 has shown up in EHG and now also Khvalynsk it makes one wonder if certain subclades of J1 had a much more northerly distribution in pre-historic times compared to J2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Anthony is talking out of his behind.

    Y-hg J1 was already present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.

    And everything needed to get Yamnaya, early Corded Ware, Sintashta etc. is native to Eastern Europe.
    Native as in present in Eastern Europe since the Mesolithic or early Neolithic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Native as in present in Eastern Europe since the Mesolithic or early Neolithic?
    Early Neolithic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Early Neolithic.
    OK then, Y-hg J1 was not present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J1 DYS388=13 View Post
    OK then, Y-hg J1 was not present in Eastern European hunter-gatherers.
    Yes it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Yes it was.
    Do you have a link or reference to EEHG J1 samples?

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    It is amazing that J1 is the oldest haplogroup in modern Finns with a TMRCA of 6600 years. J1 has also been found in the Mesolithic site of Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov Karelia. It is part of the Eastern European prepottery cultures of Butovo, Veret’e and Onega with a time horizon of c. 8000-5000 BC.

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