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    Is this guy you posted Dutch? He is indeed very Dinaric and has a Balkan vibe as well.
    My whole point is that flat occiput is probably a progress and not neccesary associated with some kind of historical ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Is this guy you posted Dutch? He is indeed very Dinaric and has a Balkan vibe as well.
    My whole point is that flat occiput is probably a progress and not neccesary associated with some kind of historical ancestry.
    It's me....stocky North Dutch

    No connection with the Balkans though a severe shot BB is assumable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    My whole point is that flat occiput is probably a progress and not neccesary associated with some kind of historical ancestry.
    I totally agree, It's probably cultivated amongst the BB.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Dutch people are very meso-dolicho(both in south and in northern regions) C.I.Well,i have never really seen any Dutch in my life with flat occiput.Its exactly the opposite.The most brachy individuals in Netherlands are those with borreby looks with germanic character profile.Arjen Robben is an a good example and he looks kinda germanic on look.Its true thought that KN is not 100% accurate but IMO itís connected with BB or maybe later migrations(celtic,la tene,hallstatt) but definetly not connected with the germanic expansion.
    I guess that Gerhardt was more actual in his description of the phenotypes of the BB graves (he debunked the Borreby category).
    This is based on the work of Gerhardt about Bell Beakers, divided in four "phenotypes" (published in: Julius, Wahl 2018):



    I guess this is also accurat for the nowadays European population.

    I'm close to the first one.

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    Yes, Finn the first skull seems also very close with Arjen Robben's skull. I can't say for sure if its Borreby or Dinarization, thought Arjen is not very robust but quite the opossite he seems also to have very leptorihne nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Yes, Finn the first skull seems also very close with Arjen Robben's skull. I can't say for sure if its Borreby or Dinarization, thought Arjen is not very robust but quite the opossite he seems also to have very leptorihne nose.
    This from E.A. Hooton's Up from the Ape (New York, 1947). He describes the dominant Bell Beaker type. In fact he describes dinarization. But he stays in the paradigma of some 'racial mix' of "Nordic' and 'Alpines' as if that were 'races' in stead of phenotypes....

    I guess dinarization is a better description for what has happened with the Bell Beaker phenotype than a supposed 'racial mixing', that's IMO fully outdated.

    'British Bronze Age (Beaker type)

    Distinguishing Characters:
    A. Head form: more massive and globular, less pointed than Dinaric
    B. Face form: broader in malar region, squarer, gonial angles more marked
    C. Nose form: fleshier than the ordinary Dinaric nose, shorter
    D. Skin color: usually florid or ruddy
    E. Hair color: oftener reddish
    F. Body build: heavier and broader than average Dinaric(?)

    In the Bronze Age, or just before the introduction of bronze, Britain
    was invaded by tall, massive roundheads who seem to have come from
    about the same area near the mouth of the Rhine and northwestern
    Germany from which the later Anglo-Saxons sailed.
    (years and years before Olalde- Finn Probably other
    brachycephals came to England later during this period, but the custom
    of cremation obscures their racial affinities. British anthropologists
    have long recognized a contemporary English and Scottish type as
    probably surviving from these Bronze Age invaders or as an effect of
    recombination of the same subracial elements.


    It is tall, heavy-boned, weighty and, in middle and advanced years,
    obese.
    The skin is usually florid or beefy, the eyes blue or light
    mixed. Sometimes, however, and especially in Shetland, and in parts of
    North England, and Scotland, and Ireland, the hair and skin are dark.
    The head is massive, brachycephalic and sometimes rather flattened
    behind.
    If the high, pointed Armenoid-Dinaric brachycephaly exist in
    this type, it is uncommon. Brow-ridges are heavy, malars prominent,
    and the face rather broad, but not short. The nose is usually long,
    wide, and convex-decidely beaky. Beard and body hair are strongly
    developed.

    It has ordinarily been considered an Alpine-Nordic cross, and it is
    clear enough that both of these elements frequently enter into its
    composition. However, the nasal convexity and occasionally flattened
    occiput perhaps qualify the type more correctly as Dinaric.
    This is
    the opinion of Coon, who points out that the blend could not have been
    formed in situ in Britain because of the absence of any antecedent
    Alpine type that is an essential ingredient. As a matter of fact, Coon
    thinks that the brachycephlic element in the John Bull type is closer
    to the ancient massive Borreby type that the supposedly reduced Alpine
    derivative.

    If the Dinaric theory of British Bronze Age origins is correct, the
    type harks back in respect of its nasal convexity to some ultimately
    Middle or Near Eastern element, much adultered and modified by
    admixture with western European types. As a matter of fact, probably
    some of the so-called Bronze Age types are merely crosses of later
    Nordic longheaded blonds with the pure Alpines(?).
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