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    I recently received my Mtdna results, and have been assigned the haplogroup U5b2a1.

    Searching the internet has turned up minimal results so far, does anyone have any information or links related to this haplogroup they wouldn't mind sharing?

    Any discussion related to the haplogroup is encouraged as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine Hominin View Post
    I recently received my Mtdna results, and have been assigned the haplogroup U5b2a1.

    Searching the internet has turned up minimal results so far, does anyone have any information or links related to this haplogroup they wouldn't mind sharing?

    Any discussion related to the haplogroup is encouraged as well.
    You can check through the various GenBank IDs on the U tree by PhyloTree.org - mtDNA subtree U
    Citation: van Oven M, Kayser M. 2009. Updated comprehensive phylogenetic tree of global human mitochondrial DNA variation. Hum Mutat 30(2):E386-E394. doi:10.1002/humu.20921
    http://www.phylotree.org/tree/subtree_U.htm

    Below is my GenBank ID and you can see the mutations for the final determination on that tree.


    mtDNA: U5b2a1a1b [FTDNA calls this U5b2a1a1]
    GenBank: EU784076 [page search to find that number]

    Which lab have you used to determine your results?
    Genographic Project: N52850
    GenBank: EU784076
    Z62+ Z60+ Z59+ Z58+ P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ Z73- Z140- P37.2- P259- P109- M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L803- L573- L338- L22- L211- L1248- L1247-

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    I used 23andme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine Hominin View Post
    I used 23andme.
    23andMe also has me as U5b2a1.
    Genographic Project: N52850
    GenBank: EU784076
    Z62+ Z60+ Z59+ Z58+ P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ Z73- Z140- P37.2- P259- P109- M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L803- L573- L338- L22- L211- L1248- L1247-

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    Going with that I'm guessing 23andme doesn't test anything downstream on U5b2a1. They gave me Y haplogroup R1b-U152 (Don't remember what they call it at 23andme off the top of my head) but I know through familytreedna I am R1b-L2 (Downstream of U152). I was relieved though I came back the U-152. As I mentioned in my genealogy thread, most people of my Surname are E1b, and I was worried that my first kit had possibly been contaminated or switched, but this reassured me.

    According to 23andMe the haplogroup U5b2a1 is most concentrated in Finland, and would explain the Finnish and Swedish that pops up in my Ancestry Calculators. I don't have any documented Finnish or Swedish ancestors. I can't find much information in regards to the origin, spread, etc of the haplogroup.
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    Do you have Delaware Valley roots at all?

    That's a question I ask folks who have American listed in their nationality when they have Finnish / Swedish matches. There was the New Sweden Colony of 1638+ to consider if you have roots that lead to that area.
    Genographic Project: N52850
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    Z62+ Z60+ Z59+ Z58+ P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ Z73- Z140- P37.2- P259- P109- M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L803- L573- L338- L22- L211- L1248- L1247-

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilmari View Post
    Do you have Delaware Valley roots at all?

    That's a question I ask folks who have American listed in their nationality when they have Finnish / Swedish matches. There was the New Sweden Colony of 1638+ to consider if you have roots that lead to that area.
    I was at first surprised when I came back with Finnish and Scandinavian from 23andme, but I had multiple ancestral lines from the Delaware Valley and figured that was the source.

    When I checked sites like this, I saw one of my ancestors had the same name as one listed here and was from the same area. http://www.geni.com/projects/New-Swe...-Arrivals/8985

    Before 23andme I assumed he was English.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-31-2014 at 12:32 AM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 5% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine Hominin View Post
    I used 23andme.
    You can also upload your 23andMe results to mthap (link) to see if any extra mutations were found that might place you in a subclade of U5b2a1. This group is estimated to be about 14,000 years old and is widely distributed across Europe. There are also samples in Iran and India, so it likely you will need the full sequence test to see more specifically where you are located in the U5b2a1 tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilmari View Post
    Do you have Delaware Valley roots at all?

    That's a question I ask folks who have American listed in their nationality when they have Finnish / Swedish matches. There was the New Sweden Colony of 1638+ to consider if you have roots that lead to that area.
    I don't have any Delaware connections confirmed in paper trails. I do have connections to Virginia (The Richmond area when my paternal ancestors came in the late 17th century). My grandfather


    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    You can also upload your 23andMe results to mthap (link) to see if any extra mutations were found that might place you in a subclade of U5b2a1. This group is estimated to be about 14,000 years old and is widely distributed across Europe. There are also samples in Iran and India, so it likely you will need the full sequence test to see more specifically where you are located in the U5b2a1 tree.
    I uploaded to that site and was put in Haplogroup U5b2a1a1a because of something called "12406A".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine Hominin View Post
    I uploaded to that site and was put in Haplogroup U5b2a1a1a because of something called "12406A".
    We have 9 full sequence samples for U5b2a1a1a in the U5 project. Two have German maternal ancestry, 2 English and the rest appear to be Americans with unknown maternal ancestry. Most people in this group have 1 or 2 extra coding region mutations, so you might get a more specific result by testing the mtDNA full sequence (although some people have no extra mutations). My age estimate for U5b2a1a1a is about 3000 years.

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