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    Did all of the R1b in Native Americans come from the Europeans or did some of it come from the Ancient North Eurasians? Do we know enough subclades to be sure?

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    So, does anyone have any comments on this?

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    There has not been ANY pre-Columbian Native American remains to date who have been found to fall under R1b.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Genealogist View Post
    There has not been ANY pre-Columbian Native American remains to date who have been found to fall under R1b.
    Thanks for the answer, that does indicate that all of the R1b in Native Americans came from the European colonists. I asked because the Mal'ta boy, an Ancient North Eurasian, had basal R.

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    This has been discussed a few times before, try searching the forum (if you haven't already). In a nutshell, all the Native American R1b that's been tested at high resolution has been European, but not much of it has been so tested. The only evidence for any of it *not* being from the Old World is: some had unusual (for Europeans) STR values in one old study; some groups have higher proportions of R1b than some people think can be plausibly attributed to intermarriage with Europeans. AFAIK none of these have been retested properly to actually settle the issue, but no candidate for indigenous American R1b, ancient or modern, has turned up either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Canedo View Post
    Thanks for the answer, that does indicate that all of the R1b in Native Americans came from the European colonists. I asked because the Mal'ta boy, an Ancient North Eurasian, had basal R.
    The predominent Y-DNA haplogroup of Native Americans is haplogroup Q. Q and R are both direct subclades of Haplogroup P1. IIRC Haplogroup Q is also found in Asia (but I could be wrong), but to date, no haplogroup R has been found in Ancient Western Hemisphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    This has been discussed a few times before, try searching the forum (if you haven't already). In a nutshell, all the Native American R1b that's been tested at high resolution has been European, but not much of it has been so tested. The only evidence for any of it *not* being from the Old World is: some had unusual (for Europeans) STR values in one old study; some groups have higher proportions of R1b than some people think can be plausibly attributed to intermarriage with Europeans. AFAIK none of these have been retested properly to actually settle the issue, but no candidate for indigenous American R1b, ancient or modern, has turned up either.

    Could you, please, indicate me some of those previous threads?

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    Everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I posted this years ago on how Y-DNA appears to show a migration across North American to Europe.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....rica-gt-Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    AFAIK none of these have been retested properly to actually settle the issue, but no candidate for indigenous American R1b, ancient or modern, has turned up either.
    Only two ancient R1b over 10K years old have been found. One from Siberia and one from Italy. In other words, we don't have much aDNA evidence for R1 migration. My guess is that Northern Ice Age people's aDNA melted in the ice to the bottom of the sea or is still frozen there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCown View Post
    Only two ancient R1b over 10K years old have been found. One from Siberia and one from Italy. In other words, we don't have much aDNA evidence for R1 migration. My guess is that Northern Ice Age people's aDNA melted in the ice to the bottom of the sea or is still frozen there.
    Which ancient R1b from Siberia are you talking about?

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