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    Can we use Kumtepe? I was thinking that the 'CHG' can be from communities that had fish, oysters etc as main part of their diet. I don't think we really need two waves exactly, even though there could have been more than two.

    I also think that it is theoretically possible that Hattians had NE affinities. Because it is very obvious to me that some of the people Xenophon met in Northern Anatolia had a lifestyle similar to Kets or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanenas View Post
    Can we use Kumtepe? I was thinking that the 'CHG' can be from communities that had fish, oysters etc as main part of their diet. I don't think we really need two waves exactly, even though there could have been more than two.

    I also think that it is theoretically possible that Hattians had NE affinities. Because it is very obvious to me that some of the people Xenophon met in Northern Anatolia had a lifestyle similar to Kets or something.
    ANE sharing lol..you cannot be serious right?

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    A very minor addition, just for completion's sake his 4 populations approximations and his (paid) profile from LivingDNA

    MDLP K23b
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Central_Greek_ +25% Iraqi_Jew_ +25% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 1.965528


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
    1 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Druze_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 1.609275
    2 British_ + Cypriot_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 1.627956
    3 Georgian_Jew_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 1.640202
    4 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Italian_Piedmont_ @ 1.645379
    5 Greek_Phokaia_ + Jew_Tat_ + Kosovar_ + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 1.653977
    6 Cypriot_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Italian_Tuscan_ @ 1.657797
    7 Cypriot_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 1.659172
    8 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Macedonia_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 1.659308
    9 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 1.665292
    10 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 1.673087
    11 Albanian_Tirana_ + Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Macedonia_ + Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 1.675011
    12 Assyrian_Arzni_ + French_South_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Greek_Phokaia_ @ 1.686994
    13 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Greek_Macedonia_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 1.689106
    14 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Jew_Tat_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 1.698115
    15 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Spaniard_ @ 1.700367
    16 Assyrian_Arzni_ + French_South_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.706196
    17 Assyrian_Arzni_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Kosovar_ + Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 1.706613
    18 Armenian_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 1.707037
    19 Georgian_Jew_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 1.708523
    20 Greek_Macedonia_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Jew_Tat_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 1.712573
    MDLP K16
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaloniki +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 2.330006


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Greek_Greece + Montenegrian_Montenegro + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.005070
    2 Greek_Greece + Serbian_Serbia + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.039607
    3 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Greek_Athens + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.063478
    4 Greek_Athens + Macedonian_Macedonia + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.068664
    5 French_France + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.085164
    6 Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.091489
    7 French_SouthFrance + Greek_Greece + Serbian_Serbia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.108813
    8 French_SouthFrance + Greek_Greece + Montenegrian_Montenegro + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.119765
    9 French_SouthFrance + Greek_Athens + Montenegrian_Montenegro + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.127842
    10 German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Spanish_Aragon + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.131864
    11 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Greek_Athens + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.133909
    12 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.141013
    13 French_France + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Tuscany + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.153242
    14 French_SouthFrance + Greek_Athens + Serbian_Serbia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.168455
    15 Greek_Athens + Montenegrian_Montenegro + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.172269
    16 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Tuscany + Spanish_Aragon + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.176818
    17 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + French_SouthFrance + Greek_Athens + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.180937
    18 French_SouthFrance + Greek_Athens + Macedonian_Macedonia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.186998
    19 Albanian_Albania + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + French_SouthFrance + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.193719
    20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + French_SouthFrance + Greek_Thessaloniki + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.197447
    Eurogenes K13
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Assyrian +25% East_German +25% Sardinian @ 2.922012


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Adygei + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 2.373375
    2 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Lezgin + Sardinian @ 2.382847
    3 Armenian + Assyrian + Hungarian + Sardinian @ 2.399935
    4 Adygei + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.450620
    5 Bulgarian + Kumyk + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.529237
    6 Kumyk + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 2.563824
    7 Adygei + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Serbian @ 2.574490
    8 Armenian + Assyrian + Croatian + Sardinian @ 2.625317
    9 Armenian + Assyrian + East_German + Sardinian @ 2.636658
    10 Bulgarian + Chechen + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.665726
    11 Assyrian + East_German + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 2.708832
    12 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Lezgin + Sardinian @ 2.746757
    13 Bulgarian + Kabardin + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.778530
    14 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 2.796392
    15 Balkar + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.800437
    16 Armenian + Assyrian + Austrian + Sardinian @ 2.810136
    17 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 2.810313
    18 Assyrian + Austrian + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 2.814886
    19 Georgian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Serbian @ 2.825107
    20 Balkar + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 2.829371
    Eurogenes K15
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Assyrian +25% Hungarian +25% Sardinian @ 4.240642


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++
    1 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 3.584587
    2 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Lezgin + Sardinian @ 3.902337
    3 Armenian + Hungarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 3.982571
    4 Armenian + East_German + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.013566
    5 Armenian + Hungarian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian @ 4.020437
    6 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 4.040559
    7 Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 4.046247
    8 Armenian + East_German + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian @ 4.115638
    9 Armenian + Assyrian + Hungarian + Sardinian @ 4.236120
    10 Assyrian + Assyrian + Hungarian + Sardinian @ 4.240642
    11 Armenian + Hungarian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 4.252881
    12 Assyrian + Assyrian + East_German + Sardinian @ 4.272013
    13 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 4.310829
    14 Armenian + Cyprian + Hungarian + Sardinian @ 4.322606
    15 Armenian + East_German + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 4.329755
    16 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 4.335558
    17 Armenian + Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.353045
    18 Armenian + Hungarian + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 4.428797
    19 Assyrian + East_German + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian @ 4.449261
    20 Armenian + Cyprian + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 4.452534
    Dodecad K12b
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Armenians_15_Yunusbayev +25% Mixed_Slav_Dodecad +25% Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.481250


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Armenians_Behar + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.292898
    2 Adygei_HGDP + Cypriots_Behar + Galicia_1000Genomes + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.361384
    3 Armenians_Behar + Cataluna_1000Genomes + Cypriots_Behar + Romanians_Behar @ 1.401914
    4 Adygei_HGDP + Baleares_1000Genomes + Druze_HGDP + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.410439
    5 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.481250
    6 Armenians_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.481844
    7 Armenian_Dodecad + Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.483313
    8 Armenians_Behar + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Russian_B_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.512480
    9 Adygei_HGDP + Lebanese_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + North_Italian_HGDP @ 1.515543
    10 Armenians_Behar + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.516097
    11 Armenians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 1.520717
    12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.525515
    13 Armenians_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Cataluna_1000Genomes + Cypriots_Behar @ 1.533764
    14 Greek_Dodecad + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + North_Italian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 1.538371
    15 Armenians_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Extremadura_1000Genomes + Romanians_Behar @ 1.541408
    16 Armenians_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Romanians_Behar + Spanish_Dodecad @ 1.544694
    17 Baleares_1000Genomes + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Druze_HGDP + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.547749
    18 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Romanians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.556140
    19 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.559392
    20 Armenians_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Dutch_Dodecad @ 1.565633
    PuntDNAL K13 Global
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ashkenazy_Jew +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.481692


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Ashkenazy_Jew + French_Basque + Greek_Central + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.300879
    2 French_Basque + Greek_Central + Italian_Sicilian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.325209
    3 Ashkenazy_Jew + Ashkenazy_Jew + French_Basque + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.481692
    4 Ashkenazy_Jew + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.555892
    5 French_Basque + Italian_Bergamo + Syrian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.571105
    6 French_Basque + Italian_Bergamo + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.585309
    7 Assyrian + French_Basque + Spaniard + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.592346
    8 Abkhasian + French_Basque + Italian_Sicilian + Italian_Sicilian @ 3.614861
    9 Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Sicilian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.621819
    10 French_Basque + Italian_Bergamo + Lebanese_Muslim + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.637262
    11 Armenian + French_Basque + Spaniard + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.661073
    12 Ashkenazy_Jew + French_Basque + Italian_Sicilian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.662512
    13 French_Basque + Italian_Bergamo + Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.677487
    14 French_Basque + Greek_Central + Sephardic_Jew + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.686137
    15 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Sicilian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.691347
    16 Abkhasian + Ashkenazy_Jew + French_Basque + Italian_Sicilian @ 3.718957
    17 Ashkenazy_Jew + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.736424
    18 Cypriot + French_Basque + Macedonian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.738911
    19 Azerbaijan_Azeri + French_Basque + Italian_Sicilian + Italian_Sicilian @ 3.748138
    20 French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Sephardic_Jew + Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.755411


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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post

    The Ciftlik sample is a neolithic sample, like all the others, so it should be used in my opinion to make the differentiation I made above.

    Some people may not like it (as it became evident with the Rome paper and the various discussions that ensued) because it separates the Farmers in Europe between waves (western and eastern, the second being closer to Iran_N than the former) and obviously that doesn't sit very well with the agendas of some people, who are in the habit of taking it upon themselves to present the findings under a certain light.

    Some parts of the Balkans, and Greece obviously, have a lot more of that 'eastern' farmer input in some cases, whether people like it or not.

    PS. This is the bit I am referring to from the Antonio et al (2019) paper:
    I stumbled across this thread trying to better understand Greek population history and I am a bit confused about your point. What would be that people would not like? What is the main difference between Western and Eastern farmers?

    Do you mean the CHG component and extra Natufian-like? I think that ancestry arrived independently sometime after 4000 BC and affected Greece and Italy, though I am not sure how much of the rest of the Balkans.
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