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Thread: Iberomaurasians and Proto-Afroasiatic

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    Why are you assuming that's PIE?
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134104>Y168273 Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
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    It's not an aDNA report, but this paper on Armenian genetics from 2015 suggests that there was an admixture event in the region involving SSA-related populations roughly around 3800 BC. This estimated date is not far removed from that for the proposed linguistic divergence of Proto-Semitic, which is within the 4th millennium BCE. I'm tempted to deduce from these findings that there was additional (Mota- or Dinka-like?) SSA ancestry entering the Middle East from Africa via the immediate progenitors of Proto-Semitic speakers, but the problem is that nobody has reported a large chunk of SSA ancestry in the Levantine aDNA we have AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Why are you assuming that's PIE?
    Because we can see the clear continuation from whole the tablets found( from gradeshnica, caranovo, vincha, nova zagora, vulchi dol...) from Balkans, the parralels with later linear scripts A and B, after that and parralels with Glagolica.
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    Another Interesting factor to play in the Afro-Asiatic Urheimat is the climate of the region which would have influenced population migrations.

    Just before the African Humid Period, there was a brief increase in rainfall in the region which was then followed by a return to the pre-intermediate conditions. The dates of these increase in rainfall and the return to normal conditions lay perfectly with the proposed age of Afro-Asiatic, it's clear that this brief but substantial change in climatic conditions in the region had a profound effect on populations living in the region.

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    I apologize for a mistake. Ygor wrote that Proto-Afroasiatic was spoken between 10000 and 20000 years ago, not BC. Thus, it was between 8000 BC and 18000 BC. Like him, I suggest we use a date in the middle, ie, 13000 BC.
    As Ygor has said elsewhere, it's very possible that in Paleolithic North Africa, Ancestral North African DNA peaked in Morocco and Dzudzuana DNA peaked in Egypt, with the other Maghrebi countries in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SakaDo View Post
    Because we can see the clear continuation from whole the tablets found( from gradeshnica, caranovo, vincha, nova zagora, vulchi dol...) from Balkans, the parralels with later linear scripts A and B, after that and parralels with Glagolica.
    I'm not sure there's continuity, but Linear A wasn't used for an Indo-European language anyway, nor are we aware of Steppe-like populations in Bulgaria over 8000 years ago. That sounds like a fringe theory at best.
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134104>Y168273 Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

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    Gaelic,26.2
    ITA_Rome_Imperial,8.8
    North_African,8.6
    Levant_Roman,1.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    I'm not sure there's continuity, but Linear A wasn't used for an Indo-European language anyway, nor are we aware of Steppe-like populations in Bulgaria over 8000 years ago. That sounds like a fringe theory at best.
    No one proved yet PIE came from the steppe but there are good indications for the opposite if the first split was in Anatolia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SakaDo View Post
    No one proved yet PIE came from the steppe but there are good indications for the opposite if the first split was in Anatolia.
    The first split wasn't in Anatolia.

    The ancestors of the Anatolians were the first to split from the PIE community and they migrated to Anatolia via the Balkans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    The first split wasn't in Anatolia.

    The ancestors of the Anatolians were the first to split from the PIE community and they migrated to Anatolia via the Balkans.
    What I've wrote did not contradict your exposition, I did not mention the root, just the split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SakaDo View Post
    What I've wrote did not contradict your exposition, I did not mention the root, just the split.
    But the first split didn't happen in Anatolia, it happened on the steppe.

    See that's why the Anatolians are the most unusual Indo-European branch in terms of both linguistics and genetics.

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