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    K in Ancient DNA

    I'd like to put this down as a resource for those of us who are seeking to map out the origins of Haplogroup K and its subclades. Please note that all I have done is isolate the Haplotype K data found on the wonderful Jean Manco's Ancient DNA database at Ancestral Journeys. Any mistakes are, of course, my own. Thank you, Jean, for your amazing work.

    According to the Genographic Project, K is probably 27,000 years old. As of yet, no paleolithic K has been found. In Europe, paleolithic mtDNA seems to be limited to U and its subclades, R0, HV, and possibly N, although the latter sample is possibly misleading.

    For the Mesolithic, we have one possible K appearing (which might actually be a U, if I understand the data correctly) from Blätterhöhle, Germany. It is worth noting that this one K/U sample comes from a vast sea of samples that have tested positive for U and its subclades. Just saying...

    The first concrete evidence for K in Europe, at least, comes in the Neolithic. And here we begin:

    Neolithic

    Syria
    Pre-Pottery Neolithic (6800-6000 BC) 2 samples H/K + 2 samples K?
    Pre-Pottery Neolithic (6000-5750 BC) 3 samples K

    Czech Republic
    LBK (5300 BC) 3 samples of K

    Germany
    LBK? (5000 BC?) 1 sample of K1a + 1 sample of K2a5
    LBK (5000 BC?) 6 samples of K + 7 samples of K1a
    Schöningen (4100-3950 BC) 3 samples of K + 6 samples k1a
    Baalburge (3950-3400 BC) 2 examples of K1a
    Salzmünde (3400-3025 BC) 1 sample K1; 1 sample K1a; 1 sample K1a4a1a2
    Bernburg (3101-2919 BC) 2 samples K1a
    Bernburg (3100-2650 BC) 1 sample K1

    Spain
    Cardial (5475-5305 BC) K
    Cardial (5329-4999 BC) K
    Epicardial (5000 BC) K1a
    Unspecified (4250–3700 BC) K
    Unspecified (4185- 3185 BC) 3 examples of K (possibly K1a)
    Unspecified (4090-3960 BC ) 1 sample of K

    France
    Treilles (3000 BC) 2 examples K1a
    Megalith (2750-2725 BC) 1 example K + 1 example of K1a


    Chalcolithic

    Italy
    Unspecified [Ötzi] (3350-3100 BC) K1f

    Germany
    Forager/Funnel Beaker (3200 BC) 1 example K
    Corded Ware (2260-2203 BC) 1 sample of K2a5
    Corded Ware (2600 BC) 1 sample K1a24a
    Corded Ware (2600 BC) 1 sample K1
    Corded Ware (2600 BC) 2 samples (?) of K1
    Corded Ware (2500-2400 BC) 1 sample of K
    Bell Beaker (2600-2500 BC) 1 sample of K1
    Bell Beaker (2500-2050 BC) 1 sample of K

    Switzerland
    Corded Ware (2500 BC) 1 sample of K

    Spain
    Unspecified (2790-2100 BC) 4 samples of K
    Unspecified (2580-2450 BC) 6 samples of K
    Unspecified (2130BC) 1 sample of H or K

    Bronze Age

    Syria
    Amorite? (2650–2450 BC) 1 sample of K

    Germany
    Unetice (1653-1627 BC) 1 sample of K
    Unetice (2200-1550 BC) 1 sample of K; 1 sample of K1a
    Unetice (2133-2080 BC) 1 sample of K2

    Greece
    Minoan (4400–3700 BP) 6 samples of K
    Mycenaean (1500 BC) 2 samples of K

    Russia
    Adronovo (1800–1400 BC) 1 sample of K2b

    Spain
    Unspecified (3180 BP) 1 sample of K

    Xinjiang China
    Possible Tocharian (1980+/-40 BC) K (Side note: Light Brown Hair)


    Iron Age

    Spain
    Iberian (600 BC) 1 sample of K*

    Germany
    La Tène (400 BC) 2 samples of K; 1 sample of K1a

    Denmark
    Unspecified (200 BC) 2 samples of K

    Mongolia
    Scytho-Siberian Pazyryk culture (400-200 BC?) 3 samples of K


    Medieval

    Spain
    Basque? (500-700 AD) 1 sample of K
    Islamic Al-Andalus (1100-1300 AD) 1 sample of K

    Denmark
    Viking (1000 AD) 1 sample of K
    Unspecified (1250-1450 AD) 1 sample of K

    Germany
    Slavic? (1200 AD) 2 samples of K

    Poland
    Unspecified (900-1400 AD) 1 sample K1; 1 sample of K2

    England
    Unspecified (1347-1351 AD) 1 sample of K1a1b1

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    Working from Jean's data, it looks like ancient European K was most closely associated with F* (G, H, I, J, K) in Germany, and G2a and I2a1 in France (Treilles and megalithic cultures, respectively).

    I'm going to have to go back and brush up on F*. I have no idea what that signifies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Mc View Post
    Working from Jean's data, it looks like ancient European K was most closely associated with F* (G, H, I, J, K) in Germany, and G2a and I2a1 in France (Treilles and megalithic cultures, respectively).

    I'm going to have to go back and brush up on F*. I have no idea what that signifies...
    Since the European Neolithic DNA seems so heavily in favour of G2a and subclades it's difficult to draw conclusions. I believe the Treilles data showed sexual selection for a mtDNA J1 line, as this identical lineage showed up several times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Since the European Neolithic DNA seems so heavily in favour of G2a and subclades it's difficult to draw conclusions. I believe the Treilles data showed sexual selection for a mtDNA J1 line, as this identical lineage showed up several times.
    I should clarify. I'm not saying that K was the main halogroup associated with G2a. I am simply saying that, so far, the only pre-Bronze Age European yDNA lines that have been proven to have an association with K and K1a are those mentioned above, including G2a.

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    Thank you for this wealth of information!

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    You are most welcome. Most of the data came from Jean Manco; I just distilled it. The above is also almost two years old, so it doesn't include the latest findings. On a different thread (dealing with K1a4, but having implications for more) I have noted that the connections between K1a4 and Cardial Culture are now extremely tight, associating it with the neolithic movement of peoples from Anatolia into Europe.

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    I have been told that my version of K1a doesn't fit any of the classified subclades. How would I find out how old it is and if it has turned up in ancient remains? Now that I have gotten a full mito test from FamilyTree DNA will researchers see it and eventually add it to the tree of known subclades?

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    Hi Grossvater. Looking at some of the others who are listed as K1a-C150T, it seems like it's fairly consistent with the other K1a branches in Europe. That is to say, it probably came from the Ancient Near East and made its way westwards along the Mediterranean coast with the Cardial Culture. Over the next millennia it continued to spread across Europe where it was found in a number of the Old European cultures, including the megalithic.

    As to when the C150T mutation occurred, I really can't say, although I would guess it was early. It looks like its been found as far east as Turkey and as far west as the British Isles. That ties it in nicely with the westward movement during the neolithic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grossvater View Post
    I have been told that my version of K1a doesn't fit any of the classified subclades. How would I find out how old it is and if it has turned up in ancient remains? Now that I have gotten a full mito test from FamilyTree DNA will researchers see it and eventually add it to the tree of known subclades?
    One more thought. I belong to a very uncommon subclade, K1a4a1i-- there are only three of us so far! We were given this designation fairly recently and finally found our place in the PhyloTree. All this to say that I'm sure you will find your spot soon, especially as there are so many of by comparison.

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