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    G25 Admix custom runs

    Admix8 and Admix 4-4-2-2-1-1-1-1 are like nMonte with pen=0.
    They tend to use components which are positioned on the genetic edges.
    I mean, they will rather take Lithuanian + Greek for Balkan Slavic than Bosnian or Serbian.
    Because of that, I can choose a set of populations which are closer to me, or from which I know that my grandparents or grand-grandparents are.
    Then I will get more realistic result.
    If you know for example that 2 of your grandaprents are Germans, one English and one Scottish, the you will choose populations:
    German, English and Scottish, and then see what will be the result in Admix8 or 4x2x2x1x1x1x1.
    After that you can add one by one population and look what will happen.

    For example, I have chosen these populations (rather than Russian or Italian or Lithuanian or Greek for which I know that my grandparents were not):


    Austrian
    Belarusian
    Bosnian
    Croatian
    Czech
    Finnish
    French_Alsace
    German
    Hungarian
    Moldavian
    Polish
    Romanian
    Serbian
    Slovakian
    Slovenian
    Swedish
    Swiss_German
    Ukrainian

    The result:


    Czech + Slovenian 0.009464
    Slovenian + Polish 0.010000
    French_Alsace + Belarusian 0.010038
    Belarusian + Swiss_German 0.010095


    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian 0.008346
    Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German 0.008501
    German + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian 0.008588
    Croatian + Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian 0.008626




    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German 0.008078
    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German + Serbian 0.008185
    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German + Croatian 0.008245
    Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German + Swiss_German 0.008264


    After removing Belarusian
    Czech + Slovenian 0.009464
    Slovenian + Polish 0.010000
    Hungarian + Slovenian 0.010560
    Slovenian + Slovenian 0.010668


    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian 0.008346
    Croatian + Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian 0.008626
    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Serbian 0.008931
    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Bosnian 0.008962




    Finnish + Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian 0.008346
    Finnish + Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Croatian 0.008439
    Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Czech + Polish 0.008448
    Finnish + Finnish + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Serbian 0.008456


    4x Slovenian + 4x Slovenian + 2x Finnish + 2x Slovenian + 1x Finnish + 1x Slovenian + 1x Czech + 1x Polish 0.008330
    4x Slovenian + 4x Slovenian + 2x Finnish + 2x Slovenian + 1x Finnish + 1x Finnish + 1x Serbian + 1x Polish 0.008335
    4x Slovenian + 4x Slovenian + 2x Finnish + 2x Finnish + 1x Slovenian + 1x Slovenian + 1x Serbian + 1x Polish 0.008335
    4x Finnish + 4x Slovenian + 2x Slovenian + 2x Slovenian + 1x Slovenian + 1x Slovenian + 1x Serbian + 1x Polish 0.008335


    Or removing Finnish instead of Belarusian
    Czech + Slovenian 0.009464
    Slovenian + Polish 0.010000
    French_Alsace + Belarusian 0.010038
    Belarusian + Swiss_German 0.010095


    Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German 0.008501
    German + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian 0.008588
    Slovenian + Slovenian + Swedish + Belarusian 0.008637
    Slovenian + Polish + Belarusian + Swiss_German 0.008656




    Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German + Swiss_German 0.008264
    Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German + Swedish + Serbian 0.008296
    Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German + Swedish + Moldavian 0.008314
    Slovenian + Slovenian + Slovenian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Swiss_German + German 0.008338


    4x Slovenian + 4x Belarusian + 2x Slovenian + 2x Belarusian + 1x Swiss_German + 1x Swiss_German + 1x Swiss_German + 1x Swedish 0.008189
    4x Slovenian + 4x Belarusian + 2x Slovenian + 2x Swiss_German + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x Swiss_German + 1x Swedish 0.008189
    4x Slovenian + 4x Belarusian + 2x Belarusian + 2x Swiss_German + 1x Slovenian + 1x Slovenian + 1x Swiss_German + 1x Swedish 0.008189
    4x Slovenian + 4x Belarusian + 2x Belarusian + 2x Swiss_German + 1x Slovenian + 1x Swiss_German + 1x Swedish + 1x Serbian 0.008223
     
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    Why does Finnish come up in some South Slavic Populations?
    Is it just the similarity with proto-slavic admixture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Why does Finnish come up in some South Slavic Populations?
    Is it just the similarity with proto-slavic admixture?
    I don't know. I noticed Finnish in my subtraction runs.
    And I have several matches with Finns.
    Or it is some German-Slavic admix which looks like Finns.
     
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    Heyj run me with: Poland,Ukraine,Bellarus,Mordvin,Lithuania, North German,East German

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    Father_scaled,0.133173,0.131003,0.07203,0.050711,0 .035083,0.021475,0.00564,0.008538,-0.00409,-0.020775,-0.005846,-0.002997,0.006392,0.015138,-0.006786,-0.012198,-0.014342,-0.000507,0.004399,-0.008004,-0.004492,-0.011376,0.004437,-0.011447,-0.00012
    Mother_scaled,0.12862,0.137096,0.066373,0.05814,0. 033237,0.028726,0.008225,0.010846,-0.003886,-0.020046,-0.002111,-0.010041,0.014271,0.020231,-0.011808,-0.002917,0.008996,0.002027,0.003268,-0.003377,-0.000749,-0.000618,0.004683,0.000241,0.002874

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    I have 2 English grandparents 1 Scottish 1 Irish +Scottish . Possible close populations -Danish, Dutch,Norwegian , Swedish and Welsh . I get the impression Icelandic and Orcadian are regarded as false positives .

    I don't think running known populations and then adding a possible close population would be that productive in my case .
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowian88 View Post
    Heyj run me with: Poland,Ukraine,Bellarus,Mordvin,Lithuania, North German,East German

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Father_scaled,0.133173,0.131003,0.07203,0.050711,0 .035083,0.021475,0.00564,0.008538,-0.00409,-0.020775,-0.005846,-0.002997,0.006392,0.015138,-0.006786,-0.012198,-0.014342,-0.000507,0.004399,-0.008004,-0.004492,-0.011376,0.004437,-0.011447,-0.00012
    Mother_scaled,0.12862,0.137096,0.066373,0.05814,0. 033237,0.028726,0.008225,0.010846,-0.003886,-0.020046,-0.002111,-0.010041,0.014271,0.020231,-0.011808,-0.002917,0.008996,0.002027,0.003268,-0.003377,-0.000749,-0.000618,0.004683,0.000241,0.002874
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    Belarusian + German_East 0.016862
    German_East + Lithuanian_VZ 0.017610
    German_East + Lithuanian_PZ 0.017947
    German_East + Mordovian 0.019040


    Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East 0.016862
    Belarusian + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_VZ 0.017121
    Belarusian + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_PZ 0.017124
    Belarusian + German_East + German_East + Mordovian 0.017606




    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East 0.016862
    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_PZ 0.016920
    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_VZ 0.016962
    Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_VZ + Lithuanian_PZ 0.017097


    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East 0.016862
    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_PZ 0.016920
    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_VZ 0.016962
    Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_VZ + Lithuanian_PZ 0.017097




    4x Belarusian + 4x Belarusian + 2x German_East + 2x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East 0.016862
    4x Belarusian + 4x German_East + 2x Belarusian + 2x Belarusian + 1x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East 0.016862
    4x Belarusian + 4x German_East + 2x Belarusian + 2x German_East + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x German_East + 1x German_East 0.016862
    4x Belarusian + 4x German_East + 2x German_East + 2x German_East + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian 0.016862


    scaled
    Belarusian + German_East 0.024597
    Ukrainian + German_East 0.026567
    Polish + German_East 0.026985
    German_East + Lithuanian_VZ 0.027842


    Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East 0.024597
    Belarusian + Ukrainian + German_East + German_East 0.025152
    Polish + Belarusian + German_East + German_East 0.025259
    Ukrainian + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_VZ 0.025518




    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East 0.024597
    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Ukrainian 0.024761
    Belarusian + Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Polish 0.024786
    Belarusian + Belarusian + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_PZ 0.024983


    4x Belarusian + 4x German_East + 2x Belarusian + 2x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x Mordovian 0.024585
    4x Belarusian + 4x German_East + 2x German_East + 2x German_East + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x German_East + 1x Mordovian 0.024585
    4x German_East + 4x German_East + 2x Belarusian + 2x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x German_East + 1x Mordovian 0.024585
    4x German_East + 4x German_East + 2x Belarusian + 2x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian + 1x Belarusian 0.024597




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    Ukrainian + Ukrainian 0.009139
    Polish + Ukrainian 0.009517
    Ukrainian + Mordovian 0.009816
    Polish + Mordovian 0.010136


    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Mordovian 0.009058
    Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Mordovian 0.009127
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 0.009139
    Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 0.009216




    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Mordovian + Lithuanian_RA + German 0.008922
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Mordovian 0.008990
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Mordovian + Polish 0.008997
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Mordovian + Mordovian + Lithuanian_RA + German 0.009005


    x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 2x Mordovian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x German 0.008791
    4x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x Mordovian + 1x Mordovian + 1x German 0.008791
    4x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 2x Mordovian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x Mordovian + 1x German 0.008800
    4x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 1x Mordovian + 1x Mordovian + 1x Mordovian + 1x German 0.008800




    scaled
    Polish + Ukrainian 0.018501
    Polish + Polish 0.019145
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian 0.019260
    German_East + Lithuanian_RA 0.020816


    Polish + Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 0.018501
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + German_East + Lithuanian_RA 0.018529
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + German_East + Lithuanian_PA 0.018557
    Polish + Polish + Polish + Ukrainian 0.018650




    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_RA 0.018219
    Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + German_East + German_East + Lithuanian_SZ 0.018281
    Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + German_East + Lithuanian_PA 0.018367
    Polish + Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + German_East + Lithuanian_RA 0.018375


    4x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 2x German_East + 1x Ukrainian + 1x German_East + 1x Lithuanian_RA + 1x Lithuanian_RA 0.018197
    4x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 2x Lithuanian_RA + 1x Ukrainian + 1x German_East + 1x German_East + 1x German_East 0.018197
    4x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x German_East + 2x Lithuanian_RA + 1x Ukrainian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x Ukrainian + 1x German_East 0.018197
    4x Ukrainian + 4x Ukrainian + 2x Ukrainian + 2x German_East + 1x Polish + 1x German_East + 1x Lithuanian_RA + 1x Lithuanian_RA 0.018199
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    I have 2 English grandparents 1 Scottish 1 Irish +Scottish . Possible close populations -Danish, Dutch,Norwegian , Swedish and Welsh . I get the impression Icelandic and Orcadian are regarded as false positives .

    I don't think running known populations and then adding a possible close population would be that productive in my case .
    Not very useful method for people on the genetic edges. Genetically, there is nothing north and west of you.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    I have 2 English grandparents 1 Scottish 1 Irish +Scottish . Possible close populations -Danish, Dutch,Norwegian , Swedish and Welsh . I get the impression Icelandic and Orcadian are regarded as false positives .

    I don't think running known populations and then adding a possible close population would be that productive in my case .
    Danish doesn't exist in G25. All others which you mentioned are in there
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    Scottish + Irish 0.016838
    English + Scottish 0.017463
    Scottish + Welsh 0.017752


    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish 0.016144
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Irish 0.016406
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Swedish 0.016668
    English + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish 0.016708




    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Swedish 0.016130
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish 0.016144
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Irish + Swedish 0.016189
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Irish 0.016253


    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Swedish 0.016067
    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Irish + 1x Swedish 0.016104
    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Swedish + 1x Swedish 0.016130
    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Swedish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish 0.016130




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    Scottish + Scottish 0.011057
    Scottish + Irish 0.011377
    English + Scottish 0.011676
    Scottish + Welsh 0.011840


    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish 0.011057
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Irish 0.011160
    English + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish 0.011314
    Scottish + Scottish + Irish + Irish 0.011377




    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish 0.011057
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Irish 0.011094
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Irish + Irish 0.011160
    Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + English 0.011172




    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish 0.011057
    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Irish 0.011072
    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Irish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish 0.011094
    4x Scottish + 4x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 2x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Scottish + 1x Irish + 1x Irish 0.011094
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Not very useful method for people on the genetic edges. Genetically, there is nothing north and west of you.
    South and east ?
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    can you do mine with Hungarian,South Dutch, Greek, Ukranian, Bulgarian, Serbian, West German, Turkish Istanbul, Italian Bergamo, Austrian, Polish, Croatian.

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    MH,0.0111,0.0133,0.0121,0.0078,0.0112,0.0029,0.002 4,0.0041,0.0038,0.0023,-0.0013,0.0012,0.0004,0.0041,-0.0053,0.0041,0.0005,-0.0007,0.0031,-0.006,-0.0026,-0.004,0.0033,0.0003,0.0002

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