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    Can any haplogroups other than 'I' be considered European?

    I understand that only the "I" haplogroups are actually European, and the other haplogroups come from other sources.
    "R1" haplogroups from Central Asia and "E", "J" and "G" haplogroups from the Middle East.
    Are there originally other haplogroups other than 'I' from Europe?

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    Haplogroup C-V20 was a fairly early haplogroup in Europe.

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    Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there (apart from very minor haplogroups like C1a2 and deep subclades of other haplogroups). Haplogroup IJ would have arrived from the Middle East to Europe some 35,000 years ago, then developed into haplogroup I soon afterwards. It has now been confirmed by ancient DNA test that the first Homo sapiens to colonize Europe during the Aurignacian period (45,000 to 28,000 years ago), belonged to haplogroups CT, C1a, C1b, F and I.
    Eupedia, I. Origins & History
    Closest ancient populations

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    Viking Danish + Frank (4.5)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LePrieur View Post
    Eupedia is total garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracow View Post
    I understand that only the "I" haplogroups are actually European, and the other haplogroups come from other sources.
    "R1" haplogroups from Central Asia and "E", "J" and "G" haplogroups from the Middle East.
    Are there originally other haplogroups other than 'I' from Europe?
    There's no evidence that R1 is from Central Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracow View Post
    I understand that only the "I" haplogroups are actually European, and the other haplogroups come from other sources.
    "R1" haplogroups from Central Asia and "E", "J" and "G" haplogroups from the Middle East.
    Are there originally other haplogroups other than 'I' from Europe?
    Given that I'm I1 and we left the EU tonight, I'd like to say we "I" haplogroup members are still flying the European flag, wherever we are. We've obviously been here a long time and I hope that continues. :-)
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,250 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Well the main three groups that make up the vast majority of modern Europeans Y dna are the Upper Paleolithic/mesolithic WHG, neolithic farmers, and Indo-European Steppe peoples. So all of their Y dna's are equally European to me. So.

    Paleo/Mesolithic European WHG=I1/I2 and very rare paleolithic C

    Neolithic European=(European subglades) of G2a

    Indo European=R1a/R1b

    Obviously there are other haplogroups which are now part of the European peoples but these are you could say the ones which made up the main waves. Even though I am I2 myself, I wouldn't say I2 is more European than R1b for example, more so that I2 represented an earlier group of European peoples (WHG) which contributed to myself and other Europeans genetic make up in combination with R1b (Steppe peoples).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Well the main three groups that make up the vast majority of modern Europeans Y dna are the Upper Paleolithic/mesolithic WHG, neolithic farmers, and Indo-European Steppe peoples. So all of their Y dna's are equally European to me. So.

    Paleo/Mesolithic European WHG=I1/I2 and very rare paleolithic C

    Neolithic European=(European subglades) of G2a

    Indo European=R1a/R1b

    Obviously there are other haplogroups which are now part of the European peoples but these are you could say the ones which made up the main waves. Even though I am I2 myself, I wouldn't say I2 is more European than R1b for example, more so that I2 represented an earlier group of European peoples (WHG) which contributed to myself and other Europeans genetic make up in combination with R1b (Steppe peoples).
    Which continent is the Pontic-Caspian steppe on? Not Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Which continent is the Pontic-Caspian steppe on? Not Europe?
    It is in Europe.

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    C1a2 and 'I' are generally known for their presence in Europe since Paleolithic.
    R1 probably originates in Eastern Europe -- so it can be considered native to that region.

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