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    Which groups have become more shifted to Europe or Levant since the fall of Rome?

    Which groups have become more genetically in Europe since the fall of Rome? Which groups have become more genetically in Levant/ West Asia/North Africa?

    I know that some European groups, such as Southern Italians and Iberians, have been more like the MENA zone since the fall of Rome. Most Iberians are about 5-10% from North Africa, and most Sicilians are about 30-35% from Levantine / North Africa. This moves them away from the rest of Europe and closer to East Med and Levant.

    I also know that some European groups, such as the Greeks and Balkans, have become more similar to Europe since the fall of Rome. Greeks are about 25-30% from the Slavs, and Serbs about 50-55% from the Slavs. This moves them away from East Med and Levant and closer to the rest of Europe.

    So my question is, can anyone help create a list of groups that have been moved?
    1) from East Med to Europe
    2) from Europe to East Med
    3) in Europe, they have never changed

    I usually take care of Mediterranean levantines, but other groups may also be worth knowing. I know that the Black people of America have about 20% of northern Europe, but this has nothing to do with European history because they got it in America.

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    1) from East Med to Europe

    Italians apparently have shifted away from East Meds after the fall of the Roman Empire. Maybe Spaniards also became closer to other Europeans after the Expulsion of the Moriscos in 1614.

    2) from Europe to East Med

    Could this be the case of some Germanic-speaking communities in Italy (such as the Tyrolean) and Swiss Germans?

    3) in Europe, they have never changed

    Basques and Sardinians have remained more or less isolated from other populations within the past 2000 years.

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    judging by the roman paper the romans of italy were def. a broad east-med people with above all the south italians seem very little altered when compared to remaining post-imperial(400-600ad) late antiquity romans; in other words judging by the romans of the paper modern italians need all the east-med they can get

    and in toto i reckon mediterranean peoples being primarily mediterranean should be more the norm then not
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    in other words judging by the romans of the paper modern italians need all the east-med they can get
    What do you mean when you write "modern italians need all the east-med they can get"?

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    The title itself doesn't make any sense, shifted to "North Europe" instead "shifted to Europe" unless you're implying that East Med populations aren't european.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosen View Post
    The title itself doesn't make any sense, shifted to "North Europe" instead "shifted to Europe" unless you're implying that East Med populations aren't european.
    By East Med I mean Levant, which is not Europe. Southern Italians and Greek islanders are shifted towards the Levant and far from Europe. However, they still have European culture, language and religion.

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