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    1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs),
    2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi),
    3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
    4. Unknown:


    1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs):
    352662 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sabitov
    13 26 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    246666 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Hiun-Qipsaq Bashkortostan
    13 25 15 11 11 13 12 13 10 13 11 31
    239987 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sankem-Qipsaq Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    262293 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-2 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    247854 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-3 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    209978 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sura-Teleu Bashkortostan
    13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    246808 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    307963 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Tuhtamishev
    13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 12 11 29

    2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi):
    N3982 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Eisenstein Belarus
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 12 11 29
    44 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Gass Ukraine

    237819 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Kennedy Lithuania
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
    GNG9V Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Liffanov Belarus
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    N83118 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Salomon Germany
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    B77WH Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Spade Germany
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
    N51951 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Traugott Poland
    13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    242535 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    303616 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
    13 25 16 12 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    73743 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    263725 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Greece
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    218102 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Poland
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    213086 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Lithuania
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30.

    3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
    M9512 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    M9513 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    M9514 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    M8972 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    314758 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    181089, TDH5C Z2123 (need Y2632) Khokhar Sistan (India, Pakistan)
    13 25 17 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31

    4. Unknown:
    Y2632 Iranians Iraq
    HG03636 Y2632, Y2633, Y2634 Indo-Aryans Punjab (Pakistan)
    HG03761 Y2632, Y2633 Indo-Aryans Lahore (India).
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    https://www.academia.edu/25017351/%D...2016_P.402-427 In this article have the phenotypes of Bashkirs from R1a-Y2632
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat View Post
    1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs),
    2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi),
    3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
    4. Unknown:


    1. DYS19=15, SUR51+ (Bashkirs):
    352662 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sabitov
    13 26 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    246666 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Hiun-Qipsaq Bashkortostan
    13 25 15 11 11 13 12 13 10 13 11 31
    239987 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sankem-Qipsaq Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    262293 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-2 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    247854 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan-3 Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    209978 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Sura-Teleu Bashkortostan
    13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    246808 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Nughay-Buryjan Bashkortostan 13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 13 11 31
    307963 Y2632, Y2633, SUR51 Bashkir-2 Tuhtamishev
    13 25 15 11 11 13 12 12 10 12 11 29

    2. DYS19=16, SUR51- (Ashkenazi):
    N3982 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Eisenstein Belarus
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 12 11 29
    44 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Gass Ukraine

    237819 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Kennedy Lithuania
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
    GNG9V Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Liffanov Belarus
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    N83118 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Salomon Germany
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    B77WH Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Spade Germany
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
    N51951 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Traugott Poland
    13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    242535 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    303616 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Ukraine
    13 25 16 12 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    73743 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    263725 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Greece
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    218102 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Poland
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30
    213086 Y2632, Y2633 Ashkenaz Lithuania
    13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30.

    3. DYS19=17 (Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Arabians),
    M9512 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    M9513 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    M9514 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    M8972 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    314758 Y2632 Arabic Kuwait
    13 25 17 11 10 14 12 12 11 13 11 30
    181089, TDH5C Z2123 (need Y2632) Khokhar Sistan (India, Pakistan)
    13 25 17 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31

    4. Unknown:
    Y2632 Iranians Iraq
    HG03636 Y2632, Y2633, Y2634 Indo-Aryans Punjab (Pakistan)
    HG03761 Y2632, Y2633 Indo-Aryans Lahore (India).
    I'm DYS19 = 16, and my father is Punjab/Arain. Not sure, if I would conclude just yet Ashkenazi are DYS19 = 16 here. I think STR reliance isn't a great idea. I also don't trust that all of our STR recalls are 100% accurate. I don't think the coverage from at the least FTDNA samples will provide us accurate insight. I've seen cases of where many STR's were off after individuals tested with Y Elite.

    13 25 16 11 11-15 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 10-10 11 11 23 14 21 33 12-15-15-16
    Last edited by wmehar; 05-04-2016 at 02:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmehar View Post
    I'm DYS19 = 16, and my father is Punjab/Arain. Not sure, if I would conclude just yet Ashkenazi are DYS19 = 16 here. I think STR reliance isn't a great idea.
    I have DYS19 = 17 but I am definitely in a subgroup of Ashkenazi CTS6. The 16 repeats is modal for the group, however.

    It's much better to look at SNPs for the big-picture tree then look at STRs for closer family relation. There are enough cases where it's difficult to predict someone's SNP subclade within R1a with even 37 STRs.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmehar View Post
    I'm DYS19 = 16, and my father is Punjab/Arain. Not sure, if I would conclude just yet Ashkenazi are DYS19 = 16 here. I think STR reliance isn't a great idea. I also don't trust that all of our STR recalls are 100% accurate. I don't think the coverage from at the least FTDNA samples will provide us accurate insight. I've seen cases of where many STR's were off after individuals tested with Y Elite.

    13 25 16 11 11-15 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 10-10 11 11 23 14 21 33 12-15-15-16
    Within a limited clade STRs can be useful. I think Bulat is only referring to the Y2632 subgroup under Z2123.

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    Ah, thanks for the clarification Parasar, I missed that.

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    Hi,
    i am r1a-z2123 and DYS19=15

    however i am Indian and not Bashkir.
    Thanks,
    Sandeep Chaudhary

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    Hye, tank you for your post. But can you tell me where my results (with FTDNA) put me then : 13 25 16 11 10 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 (ashkenazi then ? but from where ?) Thank you !

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