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    Greek Islander G25 Coords

    Background Info

    Known background: 3 Greek grandparents from Kalymnos, Greece.
    Unknown background: 1 Greek grandparent from Alexandria, Egypt.

    Coords

    Code:
    23abc_scaled,0.10927,0.152329,-0.022627,-0.052972,0.006463,-0.010598,-0.003525,0.002308,-0.010431,0.016037,0.002923,-0.006145,-0.003717,0.00523,-0.007736,0.000133,-0.002347,0.008488,0.001006,-0.005253,-0.005865,-0.006801,0.006039,0.00253,0.000718
    
    23abc,0.0096,0.015,-0.006,-0.0164,0.0021,-0.0038,-0.0015,0.001,-0.0051,0.0088,0.0018,-0.0041,-0.0025,0.0038,-0.0057,0.0001,-0.0018,0.0067,0.0008,-0.0042,-0.0047,-0.0055,0.0049,0.0021,0.0006
    Pop. Single Distances

    Target: 23abc_scaled
    Distance: 3.0383% / 0.03038301
    59.8 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    18.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    13.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    5.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    3.0 Levant_PPNB
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: 23abc_scaled
    Distance: 2.3593% / 0.02359309 | ADC: 1x
    73.4 Greek_Crete
    26.6 Greek_Kos

    PCA Graph



    Distance to Modern Samples
     
    Distance Class
    0.02254762
    Greek_Crete:B_Crete-2
    0.02606590
    Greek_Crete:Crete6
    0.02722885
    Greek_Kos:GreeceKos4
    0.02740873
    Greek_Kos:GreeceKos5
    0.02781078
    Greek_Kos:GreeceKos7
    0.02819125
    Greek_Crete:Crete3
    0.03032316
    Greek_Crete:Crete10
    0.03071549
    Greek_Kos:GreeceKos1
    0.03106881
    Greek_Crete:Crete7
    0.03172830
    Greek_Crete:Crete4
    0.03236320
    Greek_Crete:Crete9
    0.03248068
    Italian_Campania:CMP_b002_2
    0.03253723
    Greek_Crete:Crete5
    0.03266735
    Italian_Calabria:BEL57
    0.03285520
    Italian_Calabria:ALP596
    0.03303355
    Italian_Campania:NaN77FAM
    0.03304153
    Italian_Campania:NaN65DFG
    0.03310590
    Ashkenazi_Germany:Ashk_DE_DE_2
    0.03310950
    Italian_Campania:NaN275IS
    0.03343730
    Greek_Kos:GreeceKos10
    0.03363352
    Ashkenazi_Poland:Ashk_PL_PL_12
    0.03382573
    Greek_Crete:Crete2
    0.03466757
    Ashkenazi_Germany:Ashk_DE_DE_9
    0.03484740
    Italian_Apuliau3
    0.03538131
    Italian_Abruzzo:ALP205


    Distance to Modern Pop. Averages
     
    Distance Class
    0.02434647
    Greek_Crete
    0.02562672
    Greek_Kos
    0.03079593
    Italian_Calabria
    0.03164084
    Italian_Campania
    0.03439631
    Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.03463988
    Italian_Apulia
    0.03520848
    Italian_Basilicata
    0.03531816
    Sephardic_Jew
    0.03614261
    Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.03680031
    Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    0.03736152
    Italian_Jew
    0.03778303
    Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.03779223
    Sicilian_East
    0.03871387
    Romaniote_Jew
    0.03884831
    Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.03952447
    Greek_Izmir
    0.03964911
    Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.03972568
    Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.03983842
    Italian_Abruzzo
    0.04035192
    Cypriot
    0.04164603
    Maltese
    0.04290684
    Italian_Molise
    0.04357719
    Syrian_Jew
    0.04641898
    Sicilian_West
    0.04768499
    Greek_Peloponnese

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    Great! Thanks for posting. I'll post some PCAs and models of your G25 with the others I have sometime later today.

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    Nice results! Typical for Dodecanese. You can be modelled as Mycenaenan with a considerable amount of West Asian and Levant admixture and a bit Slavic.

    Distance 0.02190506
    CZE_Early_Slav 11.2
    Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 50
    IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA 25.2
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA 13.6
    Distance: 2.2672% / 0.02267223
    Target: Christos_scaled
    78.1 update_Peloponnese(Lakonia+Arkadia+older academic samples)
    21.9 Greek_Thessaly

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    It looks like Alexandrian Greeks kept assimilation of locals to an absolute minimum because the models are not selecting any indigenous ancestry. This is most impressive considering the city has had a Greek community since 331 BC, and mirrors what we see with Western Anatolia.

    Target: 23abc_scaled
    Distance: 2.7182% / 0.02718212
    60.2 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    17.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    11.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    7.4 Levant_Natufian
    4.4 GEO_CHG

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTG View Post
    It looks like Alexandrian Greeks kept assimilation of locals to an absolute minimum because the models are not selecting any indigenous ancestry. This is most impressive considering the city has had a Greek community since 331 BC, and mirrors what we see with Western Anatolia.
    That would be interesting if that is the case; it is unfortunate however that I do not know how long that side of the family existed in Alexandria... I only know that my maternal great grandfather was some sort of chemist/pharmacist in Alexandria and that my maternal grandfather was born in Alexandria. Further back then that is totally unknown.

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    Don't mean to slightly hijack this thread but my mum has a friend, a Greek man born in Cairo, Egypt . Physically he doesn't look Balkan but Imo would look pretty at home on any Greek island, Greece, Cyprus and Western Turkey. Definitely does not look anything close to a typical Egyptian Arab. Would I be right to guess he is an Egyptiote? He can speak classical Arabic.

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    Alexandria has Greeks from all over including the mainland. My dad had an uncle who was from Messinia who moved there with his wife from the Peloponnese in the 20s. When Nasser came to power he was exiled and moved to Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
    Alexandria has Greeks from all over including the mainland. My dad had an uncle who was from Messinia who moved there with his wife from the Peloponnese in the 20s. When Nasser came to power he was exiled and moved to Australia.
    Looking at examples of known modern Greeks born in Egypt on Wikipedia, almost all of them had moved there recently from somewhere else, be it Asia Minor or mainland. Also out of all my matches on 23andme that reported a grandparent born in Egypt (only 12), absolutely none had a significant % of Egyptian. It seems like Egypt received constant migration from Greeks to areas like Alexandria, Port Said and Cairo, until they were forced to leave in mass. It is likely that this was also the case for my grandparent, but I hope one day I can know for sure using genealogy.

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    Can someone briefly explain the Greek Izmir category as thats part of present day Turkey? I'm assuming that due to location its one of those area's with (50/50 European/West Asian?) overlap? Or is it more complicated haha...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LTG View Post
    It looks like Alexandrian Greeks kept assimilation of locals to an absolute minimum because the models are not selecting any indigenous ancestry. This is most impressive considering the city has had a Greek community since 331 BC, and mirrors what we see with Western Anatolia.

    Target: 23abc_scaled
    Distance: 2.7182% / 0.02718212
    60.2 GRC_Peloponnese_N
    17.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    11.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    7.4 Levant_Natufian
    4.4 GEO_CHG
    Most likely they would have moved to Alexandria relatively recently.

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