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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam A View Post
    Interesting. My girlfriend is a full blooded Polynesian from Samoa, I still have to get around to modelling populations for her on Vahaduo.
    That would be interesting. I haven't seen any other Polynesian modelling, so it would be interesting to see what populations fit best for someone who has substantial Samoan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalkanKiwi View Post
    That would be interesting. I haven't seen any other Polynesian modelling, so it would be interesting to see what populations fit best for someone who has substantial Samoan.
    For what it's worth, this is her standard K13, no modelling

    22.27401176 Malay
    23.86673417 Cambodian
    26.67167224 Lahu
    28.49926139 Vietnamese
    29.99734488 Miaozu
    30.40409676 Tibeto-Burman_Burmese
    30.42561421 Dai
    30.93644776 Tujia
    31.33497088 She
    32.15038569 Yizu
    33.73455054 Naxi
    37.59266950 Tu
    39.16882944 Japanese
    47.73598224 Xibo
    49.20694565 Hezhen
    58.92430738 Uygur
    63.72208330 Hazara
    64.39738737 Kirgiz
    65.42570825 Kazakh
    65.61849358 NAN_Melanesian
    65.68718977 Karakalpak
    66.07011503 Mongolian
    66.10477744 Aghan_Hazara
    67.39481434 Uzbeki
    71.81743451 Crimean_Tatar

    Target: -
    Distance: 1.6959% / 1.69593625
    73.8 Dai
    20.6 Papuan
    3.2 NAN_Melanesian
    1.4 Malay
    1.0 Karitiana
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kalash +25% Cambodian +25% Somali @ 7.729511

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam A View Post
    For what it's worth, this is her standard K13, no modelling

    22.27401176 Malay
    23.86673417 Cambodian
    26.67167224 Lahu
    28.49926139 Vietnamese
    29.99734488 Miaozu
    30.40409676 Tibeto-Burman_Burmese
    30.42561421 Dai
    30.93644776 Tujia
    31.33497088 She
    32.15038569 Yizu
    33.73455054 Naxi
    37.59266950 Tu
    39.16882944 Japanese
    47.73598224 Xibo
    49.20694565 Hezhen
    58.92430738 Uygur
    63.72208330 Hazara
    64.39738737 Kirgiz
    65.42570825 Kazakh
    65.61849358 NAN_Melanesian
    65.68718977 Karakalpak
    66.07011503 Mongolian
    66.10477744 Aghan_Hazara
    67.39481434 Uzbeki
    71.81743451 Crimean_Tatar

    Target: -
    Distance: 1.6959% / 1.69593625
    73.8 Dai
    20.6 Papuan
    3.2 NAN_Melanesian
    1.4 Malay
    1.0 Karitiana
    Do you know if it's normal for Polynesians to get that much Dai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Do you know if it's normal for Polynesians to get that much Dai?
    I know you're asking Adam, but while I'm here I thought I'd give my two cents as well. I haven't seen too many Samoan commercial results in general, let alone any using G25 coordinates/GEDMatch calculators. I wouldn't expect Dai to be that high, however I'm not overly familiar yet with Samoan and Tongan genetics. For a typical Polynesian, one would expect Dai to be less than Papuan and Melanesian at the very least. It would be interesting to see if these results are consistent across various calculators, and especially if Adam eventually does modelling. It would also be interesting to use the ancient Tonga and Vanuatu samples, however mixing the moderns and ancient may produce odd results as we know (I get 2.5% for both which is unrealistic for me).

    I don't know if Adam's started her family tree, and if so, how far back he can trace currently, but its possible she may have an ancestor from Southern China, as according to this 2020 study by Harris et al, Evolutionary history of modern Samoans, Chinese migrant workers initially moved to Samoa in the 19th century. I don't have time right now to read the article in detail, so there might be more info in it that cancels out everything I say, but if the Dai like populations stay consistent among calculators, it could be an explanation. Of course, if her tree is researched further back than the 19th century on all sides, this can be excluded as a reason. Ideally we would have more Samoan results to compare to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalkanKiwi View Post
    I know you're asking Adam, but while I'm here I thought I'd give my two cents as well. I haven't seen too many Samoan commercial results in general, let alone any using G25 coordinates/GEDMatch calculators. I wouldn't expect Dai to be that high, however I'm not overly familiar yet with Samoan and Tongan genetics. For a typical Polynesian, one would expect Dai to be less than Papuan and Melanesian at the very least. It would be interesting to see if these results are consistent across various calculators, and especially if Adam eventually does modelling. It would also be interesting to use the ancient Tonga and Vanuatu samples, however mixing the moderns and ancient may produce odd results as we know (I get 2.5% for both which is unrealistic for me).

    I don't know if Adam's started her family tree, and if so, how far back he can trace currently, but its possible she may have an ancestor from Southern China, as according to this 2020 study by Harris et al, Evolutionary history of modern Samoans, Chinese migrant workers initially moved to Samoa in the 19th century. I don't have time right now to read the article in detail, so there might be more info in it that cancels out everything I say, but if the Dai like populations stay consistent among calculators, it could be an explanation. Of course, if her tree is researched further back than the 19th century on all sides, this can be excluded as a reason. Ideally we would have more Samoan results to compare to.
    From what she's told me, her aunt said her family has German ancestry and I think Chinese too? Many Samoans do indeed claim both ancestries, especially Chinese from the said migrations, but I haven't yet seen a Samoan or any general Polynesian result with any sort of Chinese ancestry. She definitely has no European ancestry whatsoever, but on 23andMe she currently has 1.8% Indonesian/Thai/Khmer/Burmese, a mainland Southeast Asian Austroasiatic component while Dai people are also supposed to have origins in mainland Southeast Asia, around the regions where Dai originate, though they remain a minority diaspora population in China. It's very vaguely possible that she has Dai ancestry not being picked up by 23andMe, being 1/8 Southern Chinese myself I score no Dai at all on 23andMe (though I have 2.1% I/T/K/B instead) but 6% on AncestryDNA, i'll try and test her there when I get the chance (they also now have a Samoa category on AncestryDNA which would be very interesting to see). Dai like Samoans are really undersampled, and at this point a lot is on the table. Unfortunately we haven't made her a family tree as of yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Do you know if it's normal for Polynesians to get that much Dai?
    When it comes to Vahaduo I genuinely have no clue, her's is the only Polynesian kit i've had access too and been able to input onto the site. She does match Dai oracles consistently on GEDmatch though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam A View Post
    When it comes to Vahaduo I genuinely have no clue, her's is the only Polynesian kit i've had access too and been able to input onto the site. She does match Dai oracles consistently on GEDmatch though
    don't worry my brother

    mine too, too much dai on this result (and also kashkarchi, which I still curious about it and haunted me on all my day hehe jk), I have SEasia ancestry on my mother side, although I dont have a polynesian or melanesian ancestry (and also on FTDNA, 0 result for papuan/melanesian/polynesian) surprisingly on this calculator I have 1,0 % melanesian

    I think this K13 have limited sample from polynesian,melanesian,micronesian, austronesian family, so when it came to the result from people who are from that race, it shows only "dai" and other like cambodian (no malay, javanese, batak, sundanese, papuan etc) and also when I see many theories about origin of melanesian, polynesian, micronesian or austronesian, all of them were came from mainland china or formosa (only papuan/melanesian have unique and little different stories), so it still logic when it came to the "dai" result, I don't know in the future those theories or "dai" sampling were changed or not, I hope melanesian, polynesian, austronesian, micronesian samples were added to this calculator more and more for a better result

    btw have you ever try on another calculator like admixture studio or g25 vahaduo ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Achmadzaky View Post
    don't worry my brother

    mine too, too much dai on this result (and also kashkarchi, which I still curious about it and haunted me on all my day hehe jk), I have SEasia ancestry on my mother side, although I dont have a polynesian or melanesian ancestry (and also on FTDNA, 0 result for papuan/melanesian/polynesian) surprisingly on this calculator I have 1,2 % melanesian

    I think this K13 have limited sample from polynesian,melanesian,micronesian, austronesian family, so when it came to the result from people who are from that race, it shows only "dai" and other like cambodian (no malay, javanese, batak, sundanese, papuan etc) and also when I see many theories about origin of melanesian, polynesian, micronesian or austronesian, all of them were came from mainland china or formosa (only papuan/melanesian have unique and little different stories), so it still logic when it came to the "dai" result, I don't know in the future those theories or "dai" sampling were changed or not, I hope melanesian, polynesian, austronesian, micronesian samples were added to this calculator more and more for a better result

    btw have you ever try on another calculator like admixture studio or g25 vahaduo ?
    Your oracle is quite interesting, what are your known ethnicities aside from Southeast Asian? Is your other half fully Yemeni?

    I'll definitely try some other calculators too and consider downloading admixture studio shortly, K13 does seem quite limited in Melanesian/Polynesian components
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam A View Post
    Your oracle is quite interesting, what are your known ethnicities aside from Southeast Asian? Is your other half fully Yemeni?

    I'll definitely try some other calculators too and consider downloading admixture studio shortly, K13 does seem quite limited in Melanesian/Polynesian components
    yep, yemeni side, from hadramaut

    but not quite a fully yemeni, iraqi also, but I don't know exactly how much iraqi I have
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