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    Corresponding mtDNA & Y-DNA

    Hi, i don't know if this question is already answered but i want to know which haplogroup of mtDNA is corresponding to Y-DNA?
    For example in Europe the main Y-DNA haplogroups are: R1a, R1b, I1, I2, G2, E1b, J2 etc...
    The only think i can understand is that the «R1b» is corresponding to mtDNA «Η».
    And this because of great concentration indicated on maps.
    It is strange the fact that we gave different names for the males and the females...!
    If two brothers are male and female, they have the same composition of DNA.

    If someone knows all the corresponding haplogroups or exist a map?
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    That's very difficult to answer because Y-DNA and mtDNA follow separate paths more often than not. Here's a list of mtDNA/Y-DNA haplogroups in prehistoric Europe: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/ancie...pean_dna.shtml

    We know that virtually all Iberian Y-DNA haplogroups became replaced 4,500 YBP but ~60% of the indigenous mtDNA haplogroups survived to the present day. A gender may become over- or under-represented in a group, because all men are killed, women raped by the invaders or kidnapped, etc. The best example of this is in the Americas: indigenous mtDNA is still very common in most countries but Y-DNA haplogroups are quite rare.

    There's also sample bias due to scarcity of ancient DNA (mtDNA is much easier to retrieve than genomic DNA): some mtDNA/Y-DNA haplogroups that were once thought to have appeared in Europe during the Neolithic/Bronze Age have been discovered in Mesolithic remains.

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    Thank you for the response, i realize first that DNA have to discovered more so we will be able to answer this issue about corresponding.
    Is interesting theme.

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    aAgBNPL_700b.jpg
    https://9gag.com/gag/aAgBNPL/actual-...mtdna-clusters

    There's a map that give us a help about which MtDNA Corresponds to Y-DNA.

    I can imagine green colour is the Corresponding Y-DNA R1a, red - I1, yellow - R1b, blue - N and orange with purple indiscreetly between E1b and J2.
    We don't have image in Africa and Asia in this map.
    Have anyone has idea which colour Corresponds to which MtDNA haplogroup?



    I want to ask something more.
    Everyone belongs to one haplogroup and that because DNA have one line.
    As we know, everybody have 2 parents but...
    My father had 2 parents too...
    My grandfather had 2 parents too...
    My great-grandfather had 2 parents too...
    By this logic there are many people in genetic line who were invisible.
    That means that as we go deeply past the most of our people are invisible...!
    For example when i stand at my great-grandfathers status i have one great-grandfather visible and one invisible.
    The same at the MtDNA line of course.

    Is there any form that DNA can show us, how many haplogroups really exist in one person ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Befaios View Post
    aAgBNPL_700b.jpg
    https://9gag.com/gag/aAgBNPL/actual-...mtdna-clusters

    There's a map that give us a help about which MtDNA Corresponds to Y-DNA.

    I can imagine green colour is the Corresponding Y-DNA R1a, red - I1, yellow - R1b, blue - N and orange with purple indiscreetly between E1b and J2.
    We don't have image in Africa and Asia in this map.
    Have anyone has idea which colour Corresponds to which MtDNA haplogroup?



    I want to ask something more.
    Everyone belongs to one haplogroup and that because DNA have one line.
    As we know, everybody have 2 parents but...
    My father had 2 parents too...
    My grandfather had 2 parents too...
    My great-grandfather had 2 parents too...
    By this logic there are many people in genetic line who were invisible.
    That means that as we go deeply past the most of our people are invisible...!
    For example when i stand at my great-grandfathers status i have one great-grandfather visible and one invisible.
    The same at the MtDNA line of course.

    Is there any form that DNA can show us, how many haplogroups really exist in one person ?
    Good map but surely "Central European cluster" should be "East European" cluster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Befaios View Post
    aAgBNPL_700b.jpg
    https://9gag.com/gag/aAgBNPL/actual-...mtdna-clusters

    There's a map that give us a help about which MtDNA Corresponds to Y-DNA.

    I can imagine green colour is the Corresponding Y-DNA R1a, red - I1, yellow - R1b, blue - N and orange with purple indiscreetly between E1b and J2.
    We don't have image in Africa and Asia in this map.
    Have anyone has idea which colour Corresponds to which MtDNA haplogroup?



    I want to ask something more.
    Everyone belongs to one haplogroup and that because DNA have one line.
    As we know, everybody have 2 parents but...
    My father had 2 parents too...
    My grandfather had 2 parents too...
    My great-grandfather had 2 parents too...
    By this logic there are many people in genetic line who were invisible.
    That means that as we go deeply past the most of our people are invisible...!
    For example when i stand at my great-grandfathers status i have one great-grandfather visible and one invisible.
    The same at the MtDNA line of course.

    Is there any form that DNA can show us, how many haplogroups really exist in one person ?
    Strictly speaking, you only carry your mother's haplogroup, and if you are male, your father's also.
    And that is all that biology will allow.

    But there is nothing to stop you testing grandparents, or cousins from those other lines for their YDNA and mtDNA.
    Lots of people do it - see the dnaexplained blog for some examples.
    That is the only way you can link particular ancestral lines to particular haplogroups.
    As long as the paper descent matches the biological one.

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    Sorry for for delay in response...

    Can i ask how various tests shows many percentages from different parts of the world?
    Lets say i can have origin 17% Baltic, 35% East Mediterranean, 5% Native American, 10% Arabic etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Befaios View Post
    Sorry for for delay in response...

    Can i ask how various tests shows many percentages from different parts of the world?
    Lets say i can have origin 17% Baltic, 35% East Mediterranean, 5% Native American, 10% Arabic etc
    The various companies have panels of DNA from present day people from various countries.
    They compare your DNA with the panels.
    Broadly speaking, they assess your ancestors as having come from the places you match most strongly.
    But it's not exact.
    They are usually excellent at working out which continent your ancestors came from, but there can be problems beyond that - with finer detail.
    For example, British people come from stock mostly from NW Europe. Some people from America whose ancestors all came from England are told that some came from France, or Germany, or Scandinavia, or Holland. And vice versa.
    The panels were few in number and not always as specific for ethnicity as originally thought - and certainly not providing as much fine detail as people would like.
    Companies have been adding in more and better panels and updating their comparison algorithms to try to improve their answers.
    I used to have some answers that were 30%+ wrong.
    Now most companies are not too bad for me - 6% is about the greatest erroneous match at present.
    But I can even explain that one too, because I know the deep history of that population and while most of them went to the region the company tells me my ancestor came from, a few went somewhere else - where I KNOW my ancestor came from.

    First up, the broad indications and big percentages are most often of help.
    As you get further back in your pedigree, the smaller percentages may reveal themselves.

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    Thanks.
    I notice that all the haplogroups divided in related pieces.
    For example R1b have common code in Ireland, Britain and Brittany as (R-L21)
    Germany, Holland, England, south Scandinavia, Denmark and Austria (R-S21)
    Northern italy and generally in France (R-S28)
    Spain and southern France (R-DF27)
    Turkey, Romania, Armenia and same places in Iraq and Iran (R-L23)

    Is that related at all this procedure ?

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