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    J-ZS5287 Rome, Italy

    Hi,

    I have had my father's Big Y test done at FTDNA. His haplogroup is J-ZS5287.
    My dad's father was an abandoned baby in Rome, Italy and we have no history on him. Can anyone offer any insight on his Y-DNA line and history?
    I have read that J1 is from the region around the Caucasus, Zagros, Taurus and eastern Anatolia during the Upper Paleolithic and that J1-P58 appears to have expanded from the southern Levant (Israel, Palestine, Jordan) across the Arabian peninsula during the Bronze Age, from approximately 3,500 to 2,500 BCE.
    FTDNA has my father's origins at 6% Asia Minor, 4% East Europe, 16% West and Central Europe, 74% Southeast Europe.
    Last edited by tapahl; 02-19-2020 at 05:19 PM.

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    J1 seems to be pretty common in Italy. Have him to a 23 and Me test or My Heritage if he can as the matches might be more robust (MyHeritage seems to have a bit more reach in Europe, but 23 and Me has a more robust ethnicity estimate and US based matches)

    Might want to dig through this thread as a fairly recent paper on ancient Rome was released and I recall it had a number of J samples
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....gh-Ancient-DNA
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapahl View Post
    Hi,

    I have had my father's Big Y test done at FTDNA. His haplogroup is J-ZS5287.
    My dad's father was an abandoned baby in Rome, Italy and we have no history on him. Can anyone offer any insight on his Y-DNA line and history?
    I have read that J1 is from the region around the Caucasus, Zagros, Taurus and eastern Anatolia during the Upper Paleolithic and that J1-P58 appears to have expanded from the southern Levant (Israel, Palestine, Jordan) across the Arabian peninsula during the Bronze Age, from approximately 3,500 to 2,500 BCE.
    FTDNA has my father's origins at 6% Asia Minor, 4% East Europe, 16% West and Central Europe, 74% Southeast Europe.
    ZS5287 is a subclade of ZS2527, as you can see there is another subclade comprised of several Italian individuals (from Abruzzo and Apulia). ZS2527 is a sub-branch of YP4763 (ZS2524), a basal branch of Z2324. You might be interested to learn that the most ancient P58 sample to date is Z2324:



    Like other basal branches of Z2331, YP4763 is a prime contender for an association with the eastern branch of the Semitic language family (the branch which comprised the Akkadian and Eblaite languages). It is accordingly found in present-day Armenians, Kurds and Iraqi Arabs. Judging from your father's autosomal results and the presence of several Italian individuals, I'd say your paternal grandfather was in all likeliness of Italian descent, and not of recent Middle Eastern origin. As you can see on the map, there was no lack of J1 men in Rome during the Imperial period, so your paternal lineage might well have arrived in Italy during that time. In other words, while your paternal ancestors might well be of Mesopotamian origin, odds are they've been in Italy for quite some time as well.
    Last edited by Agamemnon; 02-19-2020 at 06:37 PM.
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    Thanks for the link! Looking forward to reading it!
    I see some people right under him (not same haplogroup) in Italy. I do have his DNA on My Heritage and the close matches seem to show a lot of Greek in them with a Naples connections. I think that this may becoming from my father's mother's side, more so than his father's side, but really don't know. Her side was definitely in Naples as I am able to trace it back.

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    Thank you so much for this information!!!
    I truly appreciate it! Now I know a little more than just a haplogroup number!

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    I would definitely consider submitting your father's results to YFull, this branch has very few samples, and Italian samples in general are quite lacking.
    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

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