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    do somalis have any iranian neolithic ancestry?

    and if so what would be the percentage?

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    sample": "Somali:Average",
    "fit": 4.9573,
    "Dinka": 54.17,
    "Levant_Natufian": 30.83,
    "Levant_JOR_EBA": 11.67,
    "MAR_Taforalt": 3.33,
    "IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N": 0,
    "MAR_EN": 0,

    "sample": "Somali_Kenya:Average",
    "fit": 4.7489,
    "Dinka": 57.5,
    "Levant_Natufian": 25,
    "Levant_JOR_EBA": 14.17,
    "MAR_Taforalt": 3.33,
    "IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N": 0,
    "MAR_EN": 0,

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    Scientists like Pontus Skoglund can say yes: https://twitter.com/pontus_skoglund/...946304/photo/1
    J1 brought the Iranian component in my opinion.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
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    No we have none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    No.

    sample": "Somali:Average",
    "fit": 4.9573,
    "Dinka": 54.17,
    "Levant_Natufian": 30.83,
    "Levant_JOR_EBA": 11.67,
    "MAR_Taforalt": 3.33,
    "IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N": 0,
    "MAR_EN": 0,

    "sample": "Somali_Kenya:Average",
    "fit": 4.7489,
    "Dinka": 57.5,
    "Levant_Natufian": 25,
    "Levant_JOR_EBA": 14.17,
    "MAR_Taforalt": 3.33,
    "IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N": 0,
    "MAR_EN": 0,
    Some Somali samples do score Neolithic Iranian and some don't


    Code:
    Target: Somali_Kenya:Ayodo_21S
    Distance: 4.9152% / 0.04915239
    49.8	Dinka
    38.2	Levant_Natufian
    9.8	ETH_4500BP
    1.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.0	MAR_Taforalt
    
    Target: Somali:SOMALI7
    Distance: 5.1291% / 0.05129056
    48.8	Dinka
    43.4	Levant_Natufian
    6.6	ETH_4500BP
    1.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    
    Target: Somali:SOMALI6
    Distance: 5.0137% / 0.05013654
    51.8	Dinka
    43.2	Levant_Natufian
    2.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4	ETH_4500BP
    1.4	Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
    
    Target: Somali:SOMALI13
    Distance: 4.9523% / 0.04952287
    50.2	Dinka
    42.6	Levant_Natufian
    5.2	ETH_4500BP
    1.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8	Simulated_AASI
    
    Target: Somali_Kenya:Ayodo_43S
    Distance: 4.7854% / 0.04785393
    42.8	Levant_Natufian
    41.0	Dinka
    13.2	ETH_4500BP
    2.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8	MAR_Taforalt
    
    Target: Somali:SOMALI14
    Distance: 4.6982% / 0.04698227
    48.0	Dinka
    42.6	Levant_Natufian
    6.0	ETH_4500BP
    3.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    
    Target: Somali:SOMALI13
    Distance: 4.9523% / 0.04952287
    50.2	Dinka
    42.6	Levant_Natufian
    5.2	ETH_4500BP
    1.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8	Simulated_AASI
    
    Target: Somali:SOMALI1
    Distance: 5.2547% / 0.05254678
    50.0	Dinka
    42.6	Levant_Natufian
    4.8	ETH_4500BP
    2.0	MAR_Taforalt
    0.6	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 5.1735% / 0.05173497
    45.4	Dinka
    42.0	Levant_Natufian
    11.2	ETH_4500BP
    1.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.2	MAR_Taforalt
    
    Target: Mother_scaled
    Distance: 5.5374% / 0.05537429
    51.0	Dinka
    44.0	Levant_Natufian
    3.6	ETH_4500BP
    1.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    Last edited by drobbah; 02-20-2020 at 06:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afbarwaaqo View Post
    and if so what would be the percentage?
    Between 0-3% depending on the individual

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    That depends. When a Middle Eastern component is not included in the models, Ganj Dareh ranges from 2% to 7%. Otherwise there isn't.

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    When it comes to Somalis in the 3% range, some of the Kenyan Somalis received Iran_N via Oromos and others it seems directly from Arabian sources.

    Most probably from an Oromo source

    Target: Somali_Kenya:Ayodo_43S
    Distance: 4.7854% / 0.04785410
    42.4 Levant_Natufian
    41.0 Dinka
    13.0 ETH_4500BP
    2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    1.2 MAR_Taforalt

    Oromos in comparison
    Target: Ethiopian_Oromo:OROMO8
    Distance: 4.7131% / 0.04713136
    41.0 Levant_Natufian
    37.2 Dinka
    18.4 ETH_4500BP
    3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Ethiopian_Oromo:OROMO13
    Distance: 4.4146% / 0.04414612
    49.4 Levant_Natufian
    30.0 Dinka
    17.0 ETH_4500BP
    3.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N




    Most probably from Arabian source
    Target: Somali:SOMALI6
    Distance: 5.0137% / 0.05013654
    51.8 Dinka
    43.2 Levant_Natufian
    2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4 ETH_4500BP

    1.4 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke

    Target: Somali:SOMALI14
    Distance: 4.6982% / 0.04698227
    48.0 Dinka
    42.6 Levant_Natufian
    6.0 ETH_4500BP
    3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Somali:SOMALI4
    Distance: 4.6124% / 0.04612446
    48.0 Dinka
    40.8 Levant_Natufian
    6.2 ETH_4500BP
    3.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.0 MAR_Taforalt
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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Between 0-3% depending on the individual
    What about the ethio-semitic people from the Tigray region or Eritrea? Do they score like Somalis none to little iranian-neolithic ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.sparco View Post
    What about the ethio-semitic people from the Tigray region or Eritrea? Do they score like Somalis none to little iranian-neolithic ancestry?
    Amharas are on average 6% Iran_N while the Ethio_Tigrays/Eritreans are usually around 8%.

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