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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Amharas are on average 6% Iran_N while the Ethio_Tigrays/Eritreans are usually around 8%.
    Do you know why Somalis compared to Amahara/Tigray or Eritreans score less to none Iran_N?

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    Amhara have significant Arabian ancestry which carries Iran_N. Somalis generally don't have much arabian ancestry so most Somalis have negligible amounts it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.sparco View Post
    Do you know why Somalis compared to Amahara/Tigray or Eritreans score less to none Iran_N?
    Somalis are a Cushitic people who didn't receive any significant Semitic migrations into their territory.The individuals that score Iran_N got it recently either through Arabian sources or through Ethiopian/Afar sources.My mother for example only scores 1.6% Iran_N because her great grandmother was Yemeni.

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    you right anyone with Neolithic ancestry have natufian dna , i got 7%

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Somalis are a Cushitic people who didn't receive any significant Semitic migrations into their territory.The individuals that score Iran_N got it recently either through Arabian sources or through Ethiopian/Afar sources.My mother for example only scores 1.6% Iran_N because her great grandmother was Yemeni.
    Thanks for the answers. I used to think that Cushitic and Semitic speakers from the Horn share the same Western Eurasian ancestry but only in varying percentages.

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    Minor update on the subject of Iranian neolithic ancestry in Somalis. I have been trying out some high snp qpadm models for Somalis using only the sample that was closest to the Somali average on G25 (Ayodo_34S). Somalis can be modeled significantly better as Dinka + Yemeni Jews (chisq: 2.826 tail 0.900630029) than as Dinka + Levant_PPNB (chisq: 5.487 tail 0.600767663). I don't know if this is indicative of actual Iranian Neolithic ancestry, but I thought it was interesting.
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    Is there any Y-DNA haplogroup J2 among Somalis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mnemonics View Post
    Minor update on the subject of Iranian neolithic ancestry in Somalis. I have been trying out some high snp qpadm models for Somalis using only the sample that was closest to the Somali average on G25 (Ayodo_34S). Somalis can be modeled significantly better as Dinka + Yemeni Jews (chisq: 2.826 tail 0.900630029) than as Dinka + Levant_PPNB (chisq: 5.487 tail 0.600767663). I don't know if this is indicative of actual Iranian Neolithic ancestry, but I thought it was interesting.
    Yemeni Jews are closer to the Eurasian component as they are more Natufian rich than PPNB along with having some minor Dinka like admixture so the better runs are just a result of that.

    Target: Somali
    Distance: 6.8281% / 0.06828103
    57.8 Dinka
    42.2 Levant_PPNB

    Target: Somali
    Distance: 6.5894% / 0.06589388 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.2 Dinka
    43.8 Yemenite_Jew

    Distance to: Somali
    0.30303691 Dinka
    0.38095883 Yemenite_Jew
    0.41084585 Levant_PPNB

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 4.5583% / 0.04558259 | ADC: 0.25x
    61.2 Levant_Natufian
    34.2 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    4.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic

    Target: Levant_PPNB
    Distance: 3.0344% / 0.03034353 | ADC: 0.25x
    54.2 Levant_Natufian
    44.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    1.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C



    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Is there any Y-DNA haplogroup J2 among Somalis?
    There isn't as far as I'm aware, J1 is found in small frequencies but is likely of recent Arabian Origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sum1 View Post
    Yemeni Jews are closer to the Eurasian component as they are more Natufian rich than PPNB along with having some minor Dinka like admixture so the better runs are just a result of that.
    I thought that might be the case, or it might be a result of different damage rates. To test that I ran a qpadm model including PPNB samples and the GanjDareh_N samples and it also significantly improved the model:

    Chisquare: 3.749, Tail: 0.710617

    although the std errors were pretty bad for the Eurasian component.

    15.2% +/- 8.9% for GanjDareh and 26.7% +/- 9% for PPNB

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    Wouldn't using Gumuz or Mursi vastly improve the fit ? - modern Dinka are far too West-African shifted...actually not even modern, their West-African affinity is very ancient.
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