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    Hi to everyone, another Belgian from the Namur region under J-Z32111.

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    Somebody new under J-Y24651*
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    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    Somebody new under J-Y24651*
    id:YF88157
    Country of origin not specified
    American from Virginia
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
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    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    New J-Z2148*
    id:YF88298 --> Ecuadorian

    New J-Z39493
    id:YF88277 --> Country of origin not specified. But obviously Jewish
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    New J-Z2148*
    id:YF88298 --> Ecuadorian

    New J-Z39493
    id:YF88277 --> Country of origin not specified. But obviously Jewish
    I’m the Ecuadorian sample. As I stated yesterday on Facebook, I was assigned J-FT68079 at FTDNA. I’m not sure if the YFull result contradicts this but we’ll see when it finishes loading I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elimos View Post
    I’m the Ecuadorian sample. As I stated yesterday on Facebook, I was assigned J-FT68079 at FTDNA. I’m not sure if the YFull result contradicts this but we’ll see when it finishes loading I suppose.
    Hi Elimos. Is it possible to have your paternal surname, is it Spanish?. Thanks a lot in advance. Best Regards

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    Juan, i believe we spoke on FTDNA. My surname is Moscoso, simplified from de Lima Moscoso in 1800. I believe the ‘apellido compuesto’ arose because a de Lima man married a Moscoso woman, and the latter was considered more noble. So they stayed with it and then ultimately just became Moscoso. That said, I can’t find any records for a marriage between people with those two surnames but there are many Joseph de Lima who were born in the early 1700s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elimos View Post
    Juan, i believe we spoke on FTDNA. My surname is Moscoso, simplified from de Lima Moscoso in 1800. I believe the ‘apellido compuesto’ arose because a de Lima man married a Moscoso woman, and the latter was considered more noble. So they stayed with it and then ultimately just became Moscoso. That said, I can’t find any records for a marriage between people with those two surnames but there are many Joseph de Lima who were born in the early 1700s.
    Yes, indeed, Hi. Your paternal surname was de Lima in origin, before becoming a ''apellido compuesto''. It would be quite interesting if you could contact other Lima o de Lima in Spain or Portugal to confirm this, although it is said according to some historians and genealogists for example: ''De e para Portugal. A circulašÔo de nobres na HispÔnia medieval (sÚculos XII a XV)”, Anuario de Estudios Medievales, 40-2, 2010, p. 889-924, y muy especialmente “Os Limas: da Galiza a Giela (sÚculos XII a XV)”, en Actas do II Congreso internacional A Casa Nobre '', that de Lima Family descents from don Fernando Arias, related to the Court of Leˇn, on the XII century. My advice would be to put Spain on your country of origin, because it should be related to your oldest ancestor, you can read some interesting information regarding de Lima family here: https://journals.openedition.org/e-spania/20540#ftn3 Best regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.delajara View Post
    Yes, indeed, Hi. Your paternal surname was de Lima in origin, before becoming a ''apellido compuesto''. It would be quite interesting if you could contact other Lima o de Lima in Spain or Portugal to confirm this, although it is said according to some historians and genealogists for example: ''De e para Portugal. A circulašÔo de nobres na HispÔnia medieval (sÚculos XII a XV)”, Anuario de Estudios Medievales, 40-2, 2010, p. 889-924, y muy especialmente “Os Limas: da Galiza a Giela (sÚculos XII a XV)”, en Actas do II Congreso internacional A Casa Nobre '', that de Lima Family descents from don Fernando Arias, related to the Court of Leˇn, on the XII century. My advice would be to put Spain on your country of origin, because it should be related to your oldest ancestor, you can read some interesting information regarding de Lima family here: https://journals.openedition.org/e-spania/20540#ftn3 Best
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    Thank you for your reply.

    I did look to see what results I could come across for Lima and de Lima on FTDNA and I found the following:

    De lima - Brazil (R-DF27); Lima, Spain (R-M269); De Lima, Brazil (R-P312)

    It looks like we have quite a few lineages here, which makes sense because it is a very common surname. Without a paper trail I hesitate to assume that I am linked to the medieval de Lima family of the Kingdom of Galicia, but it could be the case. My ancestor was listed as the 'prime benefactor' in marrying his wife (also my ancestor) so it makes sense he would have less of a clear paper trail. His wife's roots could be traced back from Ecuador to a family in Orense, Galicia on her father's side and to a converso family from around Toledo on her mother's. The only other clue I had was that I had a fairly close match at the Y-37 level with a man who traces his roots back to the Azores in Portugal. I think you are right in assuming that at some point my ancestor had to have been in Galicia or Portugal. Hopefully one day I can find a source that brings me back across the Atlantic.

    For now, I am wondering. Are the results I received at FTDNA and Y-Full contradicting? I saw there was some controversy over the existence of the J-Z2148* clade in the first place and I would be curious to know why. Best regards to you as well.

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    We now have a Spanish sample in at Z-2148*(ID: YF88334). I wonder if this is the person from the US whose ancestors left Sevilla in the 1700s to the US.

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