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    Quote Originally Posted by leorcooper19 View Post
    I saw that as well. The listed average of 12 private variants for J-FT340863 likely indicates a TMRCA of around 950 CE: (12*-83) + 1940 = 944 CE. I'd guess the range on that is likely +/- 300 years, so definitely a more recent connection relative to the age of J-L70. This obvious connections makes you wonder why YFull would initially place the Egyptian multiple levels downstream. Are we sure it's the same Egyptian?
    Thanks a lot Leorcooper19. I don't know for sure if it's the same Egyptian, the thing is, it was quite a coincidence that both appear as new on FTDNA and Yfull at the same time. On FTDNA there was no Egyptian on this subclade before. Best Regards

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    Been a while since I've posted anything new, so here's something:

    There's a Saudi who is J-L70, but negative for Z435. Hopefully this individual will take a BigY test and we will be able to see where he fits in.

    Additionally, here's a part of J-L70's tree on FTDNA:
    J-PH3882.PNG

    What's interesting, is that J-Z39057 is an Ashkenazi branch (with a large Cohen presence - J-PH2725* on YFull). Their sibling clade, J-F801, has a Syrian. What's even more interesting is J-BY57393 (not on YFull). From looking at the tree, there are only 3 individuals on this branch. Two from the British Isles at J-BY125813, and one unknown at J-BY57393. I've found out who this "unknown" individual is and have confirmed that this individual has taken a BigY, meaning they're basal to this clade. This individual hasn't given much information to go off of, except for a family name. This is where this name is most common:

    Surname Distribution.PNG

    I'd wager this individual is of Levantine roots. There is another individual who has the exact same sequence (but appears to have only taken a Y37) - unfortunately there is once again little information, except for a family name. Unfortunately there's no distribution map for it, but it appears to be of Middle Eastern origin.

    With this in mind, J-PH3882 is starting to look Levantine as a whole.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    The Roman Late Antiquity sample R136 is now processing at YFull. He seems to be located under J-BY242* right now. Wasn't BY242 Jewish ?
    https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY242*/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    The Roman Late Antiquity sample R136 is now processing at YFull. He seems to be located under J-BY242* right now. Wasn't BY242 Jewish ?
    https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY242*/
    I originally thought it was Jewish - but it doesn't appear to be. I did mistakenly include the individual on the first post of this thread as Jewish, confusing it with J-BY268. Surname of the individual is Kalinowski. Of course, there's always a chance of the individual being of Jewish origin - but we'll have to wait for more samples to appear on this branch. The R136 sample does plot in the East Mediterranean and appears to have some degree of Levantine ancestry?
    Last edited by SUPREEEEEME; 09-24-2020 at 05:32 PM.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    I originally thought it was Jewish - but it doesn't appear to be. I did mistakenly include the individual on the first post of this thread as Jewish, confusing it with J-BY268. Surname of the individual is Kalinowski. Of course, there's always a chance of the individual being of Jewish origin - but we'll have to wait for more samples to appear on this branch. The R136 sample does plot in the East Mediterranean and appears to have some degree Levantine ancestry?
    Thanks Supreeme. Indeed R136 plot with East Mediterranean, close to Southern Italians and Greek. https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf
    Best Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    I originally thought it was Jewish - but it doesn't appear to be. I did mistakenly include the individual on the first post of this thread as Jewish, confusing it with J-BY268. Surname of the individual is Kalinowski. Of course, there's always a chance of the individual being of Jewish origin - but we'll have to wait for more samples to appear on this branch. The R136 sample does plot in the East Mediterranean and appears to have some degree of Levantine ancestry?
    Regarding the Kalinowski family in Ukraine, you can see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcin_Kalinowski
    Regards

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    R1221 is also now processing at YFull. It's under J-FGC32147 which seems to be Arab-dominated.
    https://yfull.com/tree/J-PH185/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    R1221 is also now processing at YFull. It's under J-FGC32147 which seems to be Arab-dominated.
    https://yfull.com/tree/J-PH185/
    Thanks Emre, that is very interesting, because R1221 plots between Northern and Central Italians on the Haplotype cluster of the paper, and today is a Bedouin group. Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.delajara View Post
    Thanks Emre, that is very interesting, because R1221 plots between Northern and Central Italians on the Haplotype cluster of the paper, and today is a Bedouin group. Regards
    The sample appears autosomally closest to the modern population of Provence. I imagine the lineage arrived a long time before the Renaissance from the Levant with Imperial Romans (the Bani Skhr Bedouins give a hint to where it spread from, with the Bani Skhr tribe having migrated from the Hijaz to Jordan - which would make it likely that they picked up this branch of J-L70 in Jordan - or somewhere else in the Levant).
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    The sample appears autosomally closest to the modern population of Provence. I imagine the lineage arrived a long time before the Renaissance from the Levant with Imperial Romans (the Bani Skhr Bedouins give a hint to where it spread from, with the Bani Skhr tribe having migrated from the Hijaz to Jordan - which would make it likely that they picked up this branch of J-L70 in Jordan - or somewhere else in the Levant).
    Thanks Supreeme, it's interesting to analyze the TMRCA of this subclade on Yfull. Best regards

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