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    New big news:
    J-Z387* has been found in a Turkish Jew. This greatly supports that J-Z387 and downstream clades (like J-L70) originated in the Levant. J-Z387, J-L70, and J-FGC35503 all now have Basal lines in the Levant.

    Other news:
    - Found an Iraqi whose terminal SNP is J-CTS6061 (which, to my understanding is synonymous with J-CTS3601). He has tested negative for J-PF5456 and J-L1021. This means he's either J-Z44439 or Basal. I'd wager Basal, and will likely form a new clade with other Iraqis.
    - Also found a J-Z435- Mexican. Surname is Cervantes - which appears to be associated with Sephardic roots.
    Last edited by SUPREEEEEME; 10-16-2020 at 02:12 PM.
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    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    New big news:
    J-Z387* has been found in a Turkish Jew. This greatly supports that J-Z387 and downstream clades (like J-L70) originated in the Levant. J-Z387, J-L70, and J-FGC35503 all now have Basal lines in the Levant.

    Other news:
    - Found an Iraqi whose terminal SNP is J-CTS6061 (which, to my understanding is synonymous with J-CTS3601). He has tested negative for J-PF5456 and J-L1021. This means he's either J-Z44439 or Basal. I'd wager Basal, and will likely form a new clade with other Iraqis.
    - Also found a J-Z435- Mexican. Surname is Cervantes - which appears to be associated with Sephardic roots.
    Thanks for the information Supreeme. Just one comment, Cervantes is not a Sephardic surname, It is supposed to be a toponymic surname from Galicia and/or León. As many other surnames, it could have been used by Sephardic, as well, but not only by them. Regards

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    Honestly with how clear it has become that L70 and its downclade branches originated amongst a population ancestral primarily to Jews and bedouin Arabs... It kindof makes me doubt the "greeks brought it to southern italy" idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrimir View Post
    Honestly with how clear it has become that L70 and its downclade branches originated amongst a population ancestral primarily to Jews and bedouin Arabs... It kindof makes me doubt the "greeks brought it to southern italy" idea.
    Thanks for your comment Harrimir. You've seen all the arguments we've been discussing this period, and you know my position clearly. For me, and some others, such as Prof. Finocchio and his team, we do think Greek brought this clade to Southern Italy, according to the evidence we have until now, and that of course is not contradictory with the origin of L-70. Although I still think is Anatolic in origin, but as I said on my last posts on other threats, let's wait for further ancient samples to have a clearer picture, and I'm not close of course, to change my view. Regards

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    New Syrian sample under J-FGC32147(J-Z2177 -> PH185) who is from Banu Tamim tribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    New Syrian sample under J-FGC32147(J-Z2177 -> PH185) who is from Banu Tamim tribe.
    Yes - he will likely form a clade at some point with the Saudi, who forms a clade with him on FTDNA. There is another Syrian on FTDNA with this group based on STRs but hasn't undergone sufficient testing. It seems most of the J-L70 Syrians tested at FTDNA are under Z2177 - save for one who is J-F801.
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    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    Yes - he will likely form a clade at some point with the Saudi, who forms a clade with him on FTDNA. There is another Syrian on FTDNA with this group based on STRs but hasn't undergone sufficient testing. It seems most of the J-L70 Syrians tested at FTDNA are under Z2177 - save for one who is J-F801.
    I also have a 37 Marker Distance 2 Syrian (Latakia) match from FTDNA, i contacted him but he didn't reply. He only took a 37 marker test. He's probably the same clade with me (J-Z2177->PH84).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    I also have a 37 Marker Distance 2 Syrian (Latakia) match from FTDNA, i contacted him but he didn't reply. He only took a 37 marker test. He's probably the same clade with me (J-Z2177->PH84).
    Is your match kit B429879?
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    Is your match kit B429879?
    I can't see his kit nr., and his country is not shown. i don't think he is in a project either. just guessed from his name, googled it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    I can't see his kit nr., and his country is not shown. i don't think he is in a project either. just guessed from his name, googled it
    Yeah - I think you're matching a different kit to the one I posted. While from Latakia, the kit I posted is only 12 markers. I imagine there are quite a few J-L70 kits from the Middle East that aren't SNP tested or on projects, with the only way to find them being through matching.

    I have found quite a few Middle Eastern J-L70 kits where they've put their country of origin as unknown.
    Last edited by SUPREEEEEME; 10-27-2020 at 01:52 PM.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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