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    Sample from Czech has been added under J-Z39494. Probably Ashkenazi regarding his ancestors name and same subclade with the other Ashkenazis
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    14.4 ARM_Areni_C
    4.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    4.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    Sample from Czech has been added under J-Z39494. Probably Ashkenazi regarding his ancestors name and same subclade with the other Ashkenazis
    Yes, falls under one of the many Jewish branches within J-L70
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.2733% / 0.02273307
    37.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    17.4 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    15.4 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    7.8 DEU_MA
    7.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
    6.4 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    6.0 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.6 PAK_Barikot_H
    0.8 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Been a while since I've posted anything new:

    - A Saudi is Basal to J-Z2177>J-FGC52108. The surname suggests a Palestinian origin. In terms of autosomal results, <5% Arabian, >60% Levantine (mostly Southern). Will likely form a new clade with an individual of the same family name.
    - The J-Z2177>J-PH185* Saudi has formed a new clade with an unknown individual J-PH185>J-FT20070
    - Many Syrian and Saudi L70's have been tested within the last 1-2 months (it seems), all from the Bani Tamim tribe. All J-PH185>J-FGC24630 (based on STRs, no SNP testing done).
    - From Eupedia: "Cole, Jim, John, and Bob Younger were notable members of the 19th-century James-Younger gang of American outlaws, which also included Jesse James. Their paternal haplogroup was identified by the Younger DNA Project based on the results of five participants with solid genealogical records. Their deep clade is downstream of L25 > L70 > Z2177 > PH185." One of them appears to have undergone a BigY, and is Basal to the Italian Converso Jewish lineage. Amusing that these outlaws were likely of Jewish descent.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.2733% / 0.02273307
    37.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    17.4 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    15.4 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    7.8 DEU_MA
    7.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
    6.4 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    6.0 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.6 PAK_Barikot_H
    0.8 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    Been a while since I've posted anything new:

    - A Saudi is Basal to J-Z2177>J-FGC52108. The surname suggests a Palestinian origin. In terms of autosomal results, <5% Arabian, >60% Levantine (mostly Southern). Will likely form a new clade with an individual of the same family name.
    - The J-Z2177>J-PH185* Saudi has formed a new clade with an unknown individual J-PH185>J-FT20070
    - Many Syrian and Saudi L70's have been tested within the last 1-2 months (it seems), all from the Bani Tamim tribe. All J-PH185>J-FGC24630 (based on STRs, no SNP testing done).
    - From Eupedia: "Cole, Jim, John, and Bob Younger were notable members of the 19th-century James-Younger gang of American outlaws, which also included Jesse James. Their paternal haplogroup was identified by the Younger DNA Project based on the results of five participants with solid genealogical records. Their deep clade is downstream of L25 > L70 > Z2177 > PH185." One of them appears to have undergone a BigY, and is Basal to the Italian Converso Jewish lineage. Amusing that these outlaws were likely of Jewish descent.
    There are Bani Tamim tribe J2a-L70 samples from Syria as well then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    There are Bani Tamim tribe J2a-L70 samples from Syria as well then?
    Yes!

    Both of these individuals are Bani Tamim - and this is probably where they will all fall:
    https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY130571/

    All of these kits should be on page 2 of the results page of this project:
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.2733% / 0.02273307
    37.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    17.4 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    15.4 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    7.8 DEU_MA
    7.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
    6.4 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    6.0 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.6 PAK_Barikot_H
    0.8 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    New sample from Azores/Portugal under J-FGC58748* (which is under PF5456) clusterred with the Swedish from Örebrö, we'll see where he'll fit eventually.
    There's also 2 Azoreans under J-FT51679 and 2 more under J-PF257.
    Total 5 Azoreans under J-L70 according to YFULL only.
    Does anyone know anything about the history of migrations to Azores ?
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    14.4 ARM_Areni_C
    4.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    4.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    New sample from Azores/Portugal under J-FGC58748* (which is under PF5456) clusterred with the Swedish from Örebrö, we'll see where he'll fit eventually.
    There's also 2 Azoreans under J-FT51679 and 2 more under J-PF257.
    Total 5 Azoreans under J-L70 according to YFULL only.
    Does anyone know anything about the history of migrations to Azores ?
    These young Azorean branches are very similar to those in other MENA clades, specifically such as J-BY143137 and J-ZS8811. The origins of these broader branches are likely similar to that of J-L70 (i.e. Levantine).

    I would hazard a guess that these Azorean branches within J-L70 can be associated with the Phoenicians - it seems to the most likely scenario.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.2733% / 0.02273307
    37.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    17.4 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    15.4 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    7.8 DEU_MA
    7.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
    6.4 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    6.0 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.6 PAK_Barikot_H
    0.8 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    New sample from Azores/Portugal under J-FGC58748* (which is under PF5456) clusterred with the Swedish from Örebrö, we'll see where he'll fit eventually.
    There's also 2 Azoreans under J-FT51679 and 2 more under J-PF257.
    Total 5 Azoreans under J-L70 according to YFULL only.
    Does anyone know anything about the history of migrations to Azores ?
    Hi Emre, thanks for the information. The Azores were permanently colonized by Portuguese settlers from the XV's century. There is evidence of previous human settlements, but they were not inhabited when Portuguese navigators arrived to the islands. So, until we have further news from the ancient origin of L70 in Portugal, we won't have an answer, although the origin could be different regarding Z39282 and FGC58748. The interesting aspect, is that this new Portuguese person, has a common male ancestor with the Swedish (according to YFULL) 2300 Ybp. The oldest L70 we have in Scandinavia is from a Viking ( basal to FGC32690), maybe his origin could help us more. Best Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.delajara View Post
    Hi Emre, thanks for the information. The Azores were permanently colonized by Portuguese settlers from the XV's century. There is evidence of previous human settlements, but they were not inhabited when Portuguese navigators arrived to the islands. So, until we have further news from the ancient origin of L70 in Portugal, we won't have an answer, although the origin could be different regarding Z39282 and FGC58748. The interesting aspect, is that this new Portuguese person, has a common male ancestor with the Swedish (according to YFULL) 2300 Ybp. The oldest L70 we have in Scandinavia is from a Viking ( basal to FGC32690), maybe his origin could help us more. Best Regards
    Who would the previous human settlements have belonged to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davit View Post
    Who would the previous human settlements have belonged to?
    There is no evidence, as far as I know, of the culture of those people. The islands were probably known already to sailors, at least from the XIII's century. The hypothesis of previos inhabitants, at least 150 years before the Portuguese settlers, was made by some scientists on a paper published on 2017, based on pollen and vegetation evolution on the island, the paper is called Vegetation and landscape dynamics under natural and anthropogenic forcing on the Azores Islands: A 700-year pollen record from the Săo Miguel Island and it could be read on: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...77379116305753

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