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Thread: J-L70 Presence in the Middle East-North Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.delajara View Post
    Hi Emre, thanks for the information. The Azores were permanently colonized by Portuguese settlers from the XV's century. There is evidence of previous human settlements, but they were not inhabited when Portuguese navigators arrived to the islands. So, until we have further news from the ancient origin of L70 in Portugal, we won't have an answer, although the origin could be different regarding Z39282 and FGC58748. The interesting aspect, is that this new Portuguese person, has a common male ancestor with the Swedish (according to YFULL) 2300 Ybp. The oldest L70 we have in Scandinavia is from a Viking ( basal to FGC32690), maybe his origin could help us more. Best Regards
    When YFull matches were shown before the last update about the ages, i could see the information of the Portuguese. One of them might have a Dutchman origin according to his surname (i did a little research). But he may also be native Portuguese.
    Regarding the Azorean clustering with the Swedish, the question arises, does the ancestors of the Swedish from Írebro originate from the Mediterranean ?
    The VK42 sample is said to have partly Southern European origin, so his paternal line might also belong to Med. But can't be sure though. Since there's also some samples of L70 scattered in Scandinavia.
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    14.4 ARM_Areni_C
    4.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    4.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    When YFull matches were shown before the last update about the ages, i could see the information of the Portuguese. One of them might have a Dutchman origin according to his surname (i did a little research). But he may also be native Portuguese.
    Regarding the Azorean clustering with the Swedish, the question arises, does the ancestors of the Swedish from Írebro originate from the Mediterranean ?
    The VK42 sample is said to have partly Southern European origin, so his paternal line might also belong to Med. But can't be sure though. Since there's also some samples of L70 scattered in Scandinavia.
    Given what we know of J-L70, the ancestor of this Viking almost certainly came from the Mediterranean (his autosomal ancestry very much supports this as well). It is worth noting that J-L70 wasn't the only Middle Eastern clade to show up in the Viking paper.

    Most J-L70 in these parts of Europe (Germanic Europe, the British Isles, Scandinavia) is relatively recent (i.e. it's very likely they arrived in these regions earliest during the Roman Empire, and even then, we can see some deeper clades are of Jewish origin etc...). Additionally, J-L70 is incredibly rare in Scandinavia - in countries like Sweden and Norway, J-L70 doesn't even reach 0.1% of their total population.

    Going back to the Azorean clades, one of these clades - J-Y99995 - could very likely be of Jewish origin given the age of J-Z39282 and the tradition of those within J-M318. A Dutch ancestor could also easily be linked to Sephardic Jews.
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    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.0548% / 0.02054790
    38.4 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    36.2 HRV_IA
    8.6 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.0 DEU_MA_Alemannic
    7.4 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.4 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    When YFull matches were shown before the last update about the ages, i could see the information of the Portuguese. One of them might have a Dutchman origin according to his surname (i did a little research). But he may also be native Portuguese.
    Regarding the Azorean clustering with the Swedish, the question arises, does the ancestors of the Swedish from Írebro originate from the Mediterranean ?
    The VK42 sample is said to have partly Southern European origin, so his paternal line might also belong to Med. But can't be sure though. Since there's also some samples of L70 scattered in Scandinavia.
    Thanks Emre, I indeed underline the origin of this Viking sample, because is in part Mediterranean, specifically close to southern Italians, maybe there is the clue.

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    NEW Sicilian from Palermo

    https://yfull.com/tree/J-S10971/
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.0548% / 0.02054790
    38.4 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    36.2 HRV_IA
    8.6 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.0 DEU_MA_Alemannic
    7.4 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.4 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    NEW Sicilian from Palermo

    https://yfull.com/tree/J-S10971/
    Thanks for that. Couldn't see the flag right now and i was wondering about the country. Mr. Delajara has a new match congrats
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    14.4 ARM_Areni_C
    4.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    4.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    Thanks for that. Couldn't see the flag right now and i was wondering about the country. Mr. Delajara has a new match congrats
    Many Thanks Emre, yes indeed. !!

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    YF80672 NEW Sicilian from Catania under J-Z2177(Z2177*,FT51679*)
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
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    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    YF80672 NEW Sicilian from Catania under J-Z2177(Z2177*,FT51679*)
    I'll double-check with Principe, but this Sicilian might be the one at J-FGC63655 on FTDNA.

    We have Principe to thank for these Sicilian uploads to YFull.
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    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.0548% / 0.02054790
    38.4 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    36.2 HRV_IA
    8.6 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.0 DEU_MA_Alemannic
    7.4 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.4 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    New sample under J-FGC52112(under Z2177) but the country is unknown for now, anyone knows where's he from ?
    By the way, come on man ! I'm waiting some new samples under PH84 or even FT51679
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
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    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    New sample under J-FGC52112(under Z2177) but the country is unknown for now, anyone knows where's he from ?
    By the way, come on man ! I'm waiting some new samples under PH84 or even FT51679
    I assume it's one of the Greek kits, but we will have to wait and see.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.0548% / 0.02054790
    38.4 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    36.2 HRV_IA
    8.6 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.0 DEU_MA_Alemannic
    7.4 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.4 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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