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Thread: J-L70 Presence in the Middle East-North Africa

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    It‘s a good question. Do Yörük Turks have a typical phenotype ? I can‘t tell you that because I don‘t know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    Due to J-L70's wide spread, it's origin is rather ambiguous. Ancient DNA samples will likely clear it all up.
    I am not ruling out J-L70 has a Levantine origin. I read all your stuff which I found quite fascinating and insightful, and you do have a good argument that J-L70 is Levantine.
    My maternal grandmother's father's Walker Y DNA's J-L70 branch J-P5456 does happen to be listed as an Ashkenazi Jewish Y DNA branch at jewishdna.net

    With the genetic findings that Levantines had ancestry from the Anatolia, Caucasus, and Iran, I am open to the possibility that J-L70 could have originated in one of those areas.

    I don't believe that J-L70 is of Greek origin though. I certainly don't think it's of Italian region like maciamo suggested.

    As I pointed out weeks ago, Turkey, Caucasus, and Iran have an ancient history of Jewish settlers.
    Genetic studies show Levantines having ancient Anatolian, Caucasian, and Iranian ancestry.

    Altogether, it points to complexity that could make it difficult to figure out where J-L70 originated.

    Neolithic samples would definitely help
    Bronze age samples won't for obvious reasons.
    paternal ancestry is African American with English and Acadian
    maternal ancestry is Cape Verdean, Ashkenazi Jewish (from Romania and Latvia), Puerto Rican, Madeiran, Azorean, English, Scottish, German, Irish, Swiss, Welsh, Dutch, Frisian


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    Sub_Saharan 47.34%
    North_Atlantic 18.75%
    West_Med 9.90%
    East_Med 6.70%
    Baltic 4.70%
    Northeast_African 3.60%
    West_Asian 2.73%
    Amerindian 2.38%
    Red_Sea 1.86%
    East_Asian 1.20%
    Siberian 0.64%
    Oceanian 0.11%
    South Asian 0.10%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glaucus View Post
    I am not ruling out J-L70 has a Levantine origin. I read all your stuff which I found quite fascinating and insightful, and you do have a good argument that J-L70 is Levantine.
    My maternal grandmother's father's Walker Y DNA's J-L70 branch J-P5456 does happen to be listed as an Ashkenazi Jewish Y DNA branch at jewishdna.net

    With the genetic findings that Levantines had ancestry from the Anatolia, Caucasus, and Iran, I am open to the possibility that J-L70 could have originated in one of those areas.

    I don't believe that J-L70 is of Greek origin though. I certainly don't think it's of Italian region like maciamo suggested.

    As I pointed out weeks ago, Turkey, Caucasus, and Iran have an ancient history of Jewish settlers.
    Genetic studies show Levantines having ancient Anatolian, Caucasian, and Iranian ancestry.

    Altogether, it points to complexity that could make it difficult to figure out where J-L70 originated.

    Neolithic samples would definitely help
    Bronze age samples won't for obvious reasons.
    I agree with Supreeeme that due to L'70's wide spread, ancient DNA will help us to have a clear picture. Just one comment, Bronze Age samples will certainly help to have further information about this clade, according to its age ( about 3.600 years considering Yfull estimation), and its expansion, fully on Bronze Age. Regards

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    I accidentally posted a facebook group link for
    New insight into the Canaanites’ history based on a new genome-wide analysis of ancient DNA collected from 73 individuals. Evidence for the movement of people over long periods of time from the northeast of the Ancient Near East, including modern Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan, into the Southern Levant region have been observed.
    The genetic study suggest that the Canaanites descend from a mixture of earlier local Neolithic populations and populations related to Chalcocithic Iran and/or the Bronze Age Caucasus.
    The researchers studied the relationship of the Canaanites to modern-day populations. While the direct contribution of the Canaanites to modern populations cannot be accurately quantified, the data suggest that a broader Near Eastern component, including populations from the Caucasus and the Zagros Mountains, likely account for more than 50 percent of the ancestry of many Arabic-speaking and Jewish groups living in the region today.

    here is the actual link to the article that I read
    https://www.heritagedaily.com/2020/0...rW44PFfpoRRvlA
    paternal ancestry is African American with English and Acadian
    maternal ancestry is Cape Verdean, Ashkenazi Jewish (from Romania and Latvia), Puerto Rican, Madeiran, Azorean, English, Scottish, German, Irish, Swiss, Welsh, Dutch, Frisian


    Eurogenes K13
    Sub_Saharan 47.34%
    North_Atlantic 18.75%
    West_Med 9.90%
    East_Med 6.70%
    Baltic 4.70%
    Northeast_African 3.60%
    West_Asian 2.73%
    Amerindian 2.38%
    Red_Sea 1.86%
    East_Asian 1.20%
    Siberian 0.64%
    Oceanian 0.11%
    South Asian 0.10%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    New : id:YF87184 J-Z40772*
    No country of origin specified yet.
    American from Hawaii (Native Language : English)
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    14.4 ARM_Areni_C
    4.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    4.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    New kit under J-Z2177*
    id : YF87804
    No country of origin specified yet.
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    14.4 ARM_Areni_C
    4.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    4.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Somebody new under J-CTS3601*
    id : YF87840
    No country of origin specified yet
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
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    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emre Altug View Post
    Somebody new under J-CTS3601*
    id : YF87840
    No country of origin specified yet
    As expected, it is a Bulgarian who formed a new branch, J-FTA59649, on FamilyTreeDNA. By virtue of the new branch being formed there, I suspect a Turkish sample will form the clade with him on YFull.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.0548% / 0.02054790
    38.4 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    36.2 HRV_IA
    8.6 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.0 DEU_MA_Alemannic
    7.4 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.4 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    My maternal 6th Great Grandfather William Walker's Y DNA haplogroup is J-PH3125 which is a branch of J-FGC54172.

    His closest matches are men in United States with their sharing J-PH3125.

    The closest matches after that are men with paternal origins in United States, Belarus, Poland, Germany, Ukraine, Scotland, Hungary, Armenia, Italy, Greece, Czech Republic, Lithuania, France, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Ireland, Canada, Russian Federation, Romania, Austria, England with their sharing J-FGC54172.

    William Walker was a Colonial British Virginian who lived from 1725 to 1806 and is listed as having origins in England.
    He's a 3rd great grandfather of my maternal grandmother's father Harold George Walker.
    paternal ancestry is African American with English and Acadian
    maternal ancestry is Cape Verdean, Ashkenazi Jewish (from Romania and Latvia), Puerto Rican, Madeiran, Azorean, English, Scottish, German, Irish, Swiss, Welsh, Dutch, Frisian


    Eurogenes K13
    Sub_Saharan 47.34%
    North_Atlantic 18.75%
    West_Med 9.90%
    East_Med 6.70%
    Baltic 4.70%
    Northeast_African 3.60%
    West_Asian 2.73%
    Amerindian 2.38%
    Red_Sea 1.86%
    East_Asian 1.20%
    Siberian 0.64%
    Oceanian 0.11%
    South Asian 0.10%

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    We have new samples to the L70 tree
    J-FGC32685 (id:YF87958)
    J-Z39491 (id:YF88093)
    Country of origins are not specified.
    Target: EmreAltug_scaled
    Distance: 1.3564% / 0.01356424
    17.6 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    16.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.0 HRV_Vucedol
    14.8 Levant_Megiddo_IA
    14.4 ARM_Areni_C
    4.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    4.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.6 MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
    3.0 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    1.6 HUN_Prescythian_IA
    1.4 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    1.4 Levant_PPNC

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