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Thread: J-L70 Presence in the Middle East-North Africa

  1. #21
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    J-L816

    Israel Jerusalem Star of David Israel South Africa
    Some more individuals:

    Lebanon
    2 x J-CTS3601 (but negative for J-PF5456)

    Iraq
    2 x J-CTS3601 (including another Kurdish individual)

    Bahrain
    1 x J-CTS3601

    Unknown
    1 x J-CTS3601 (Category:"Sham")
    3 x J-CTS3601 (Category:"Kenana + Bani Sakher + Abbasid")

    From this project:https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

    This basically brings our J-L70 total to:
    Iraq: 18
    Lebanon: 9
    Saudi Arabia: 4
    Jordan: 3
    Syria: 5
    Azerbaijan: 3
    Turkey: 8
    Armenia: 6
    Algeria: 1
    Palestinian: 2
    Egypt: 1
    Turkmenistan: 4
    Georgia: 1
    Iran: 1
    Bahrain: 1
    Unknown Middle Eastern origin: 4
    Jews: 95
    Last edited by SUPREEEEEME; 04-05-2020 at 10:05 AM.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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  3. #22
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    J-L816

    Israel Jerusalem Star of David Israel South Africa
    Somehow missed the rest of the frequencies from this study:
    https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.co...471-2148-11-69

    I'll just post the new ones with the old ones:
    Phokaia 6.5%
    Smyrna 1.7%
    Nea Nikomedeia 1.8%
    Sesklo/Dimini 3.5%
    Lerna/Franchthi Cave 1.8%
    Northwest Anatolia (Istanbul) 1.9%
    Mediterranean Anatolia (South-East Anatolian Coast) 12.1% -- the highest we have so far
    Central Anatolia 5.6%
    Western Anatolia 0%
    Provence 7.8%
    Last edited by SUPREEEEEME; 04-05-2020 at 10:05 AM.
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    J1 P58>ZS1706>ZS7071
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    O-M175 O2A1

    Great Seljuk Empire Azerbaijan Yerevan Khanate Iran Safavid Empire Mongolia
    We have new big y J-Z44439 Azerbaijani from Georgia and most probably had Anatolian ancestors.
    Most distant known ancestor Qaraqoyunlu Turkmen Emir Saad, owner of the Chuxur Saad (Erivan province), Chieftain of the Turkoman Saadlu tribe (Black Sheep Turkomans) 14th century. Buried here : Hidden Content


    Azerbaijani Turkic Project
    Hidden Content

    Turkmenistan DNA Project
    Hidden Content

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    We have new big y J-Z44439 Azerbaijani from Georgia and most probably had Anatolian ancestors.
    Thanks for the interesting information. On yFull J-Z44439 cluster, is formed by two germans and one Swiss.

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    J1 P58>ZS1706>ZS7071
    mtDNA (M)
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    O-M175 O2A1

    Great Seljuk Empire Azerbaijan Yerevan Khanate Iran Safavid Empire Mongolia
    Quote Originally Posted by J.delajara View Post
    Thanks for the interesting information. On yFull J-Z44439 cluster, is formed by two germans and one Swiss.
    I asked him to upload at least his VCF to yfull so we will see what happens
    Most distant known ancestor Qaraqoyunlu Turkmen Emir Saad, owner of the Chuxur Saad (Erivan province), Chieftain of the Turkoman Saadlu tribe (Black Sheep Turkomans) 14th century. Buried here : Hidden Content


    Azerbaijani Turkic Project
    Hidden Content

    Turkmenistan DNA Project
    Hidden Content

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    J-L70
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    J-L816

    Israel Jerusalem Star of David Israel South Africa
    Forgot to add: we've found Moroccan Jews with J-L70
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    UPDATE:
    I got someone who is half Tunisian Jewish-half Bukharan Jewish to search his DNA matches, this is what we found:
    - 38 Bukharan Jewish J-L70s
    - 8 Tunisian Jewish J-L70s
    - 2 Algerian Jewish J-L70s (siblings)

    This confirms J-L70s presence in Algerian Jews
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    J-L70>J-M318:

    Lake Van (Armenians - Eastern Anatolia): 5.83%

    https://www.academia.edu/3590606/Neo...riculturalists
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    I have confirmed J-L70 individuals from the following families (outside of FamilyTreeDNA):
    - Haddad (Palestinian)
    - Khoury (Lebanese)
    - Rabbat (Lebanese)
    - Unis (Lebanese)
    - Toumpouris (Cypriot)
    - Karem Salem (Levantine)
    - Netwalli (Levantine)
    - Alaily (Levantine)
    - Alshawaa (Levantine)
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 1.9563% / 0.01956275
    33.6 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    18.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    11.8 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    10.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
    9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    8.4 FRA_IA
    7.6 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
    1.2 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    Thanks Supreeeeme.
    It's interesting how the researchers associate J-M318 as one of the Bronze Age Greece Linages, quote ''Gardman and Lake Van, the latter of which also contains haplogroups commonly associated with Bronze Age Greece (ie, J2a8-M319 (4.9%), and E1b1b1-M78 and its sublineages (3.9%)). ''
    I Think JL70 was Anatolian in origin, and some of its subclades were part of the Greek world, that expanded, since Bronze age, to the west.

    Regards

    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    J-L70>J-M318:

    Lake Van (Armenians - Eastern Anatolia): 5.83%

    https://www.academia.edu/3590606/Neo...riculturalists

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