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Thread: Possible R-Z2105 subclades in the "Italy FTDNA Project"

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    Possible R-Z2105 subclades in the "Italy FTDNA Project"

    Possible R-PF7580*
    153691 Gioacchino Ricci b.1883,Posta Fibreno,Frosinone IT Italy R1b1a2a1
    12 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9-10 11 11 26 14 20 30 14-15-16-16
    N10795 Filippo Carnevali, b.c. 1780, Fabriano, Italy Italy R1b1a2a1
    12 25 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 30 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 20 28 15-15-16-16 11 12 19-23 16 15 17 17 37-38 12 12

    Possible R-L277
    95875 Pietro Stasi, b 1854, Potenza, Italy Italy R1b1a2a1
    12 23 14 11 11-14 12 12 13 14 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 31 14-15-16-18 11 12 19-23 15 16 19 17 35-37 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 21-24 15 10 12 12 15 8 11 22 20 13 13 11 13 11 11 12 12
    30885 Nicolo' Mattoli year 1475, Bevagna, Umbria, Italy Italy R1b1a2a1
    12 26 14 11 11-15 12 12 13 12 15 27 15 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 29 15-16-16-18 11 11 19-23 16 15 19 18 35-37 13 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 11 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 37 15 9 16 12 25 26 19 11 11 13 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 13 12 25 13 10 10 22 15 19 13 25 17 12 15 23 12 23 19 10 14 18 9 11 11

    Probable R-Z2110*
    H1614 Antonio del Badia (1449-?) Castelfiorentino (Firenze) Italy R1b1a2
    12 24 15 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 12 29 16 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 29 14-14-16-17 10 11 19-23 16 15 19 17 36-37 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-24 16 10 12 12 16 8 12 22 21 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 32 15 9 16 11 25 26 19 12 11 13 12 10 9 12 11 10 11 11 30 12 14 24 14 10 9 20 15 19 14 23 18 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 18 9 11 11

    and all the others.

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    Perhaps it is interesting to note that Ricci, if I'll be right in my hypothesis, has been tested for L584 and is ancestral. This could demonstrate what we are trying, i.e. if the ancestor of L584+ is the Italian (and Romanian so far) PF7580+.

    153691 Gioacchino Ricci b.1883,Posta Fibreno,Frosinone IT R1b1a2a1 R-L150
    L150+, L23+, Z2105+, L144-, L21-, L51-, L584-, P310-, P312-, U106-

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    Another R-PF7580* could be this:
    77285 Giovanni Battista Maturo Italy R1b1a2
    12 25 14 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 19 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 29 15-15-16-16
    Unfortunately he has been tested only for P311:
    77285 Giovanni Battista Maturo R1b1a2 R-M269 P311-

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    And why this Armenian has been put in the L277+ of the "ht 35 FTDNA Project"
    _b2. R1b1a2a2b: L23+ Z2103+ Z2105+ L277+
    195750 Armenian Armenia R1b1a2a1
    12 23 14 10 11-15 12 12 12 13 14 28 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15-15-16-16 11 12 20-23 15 15 17 17 35-37 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 9 10 12 23-23 15 10 12 12 15 9 13 23 20 13 12 11 13 10 11 12 11
    when he is tested L277-
    195750 Armenian R1b1a2a1 R-L150
    L150+, L23+, M269+, L277-, L51-, L584-, L943-, L944-, L945-, L946-, P310-, P312-, U106-
    and could be PF7580+/L584-?
    Another link between Italy and Armenia.

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