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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post648951

    Check this, it's with your Irish/Welsh/Lithuanian ancestry removed. Shows your remaining 25% is very close to Yemen as I've been saying all this time. You don't have affinity with Egypt.

    Somebody else ran my GEDMatch numbers through the vahaduo most popular calcs and gave me this and I just wanted your opinion

    K13
    Population
    North_Atlantic 37.76 Pct
    Baltic 22.17 Pct
    West_Med 8.02 Pct
    West_Asian 6.87 Pct
    East_Med 12.89 Pct
    Red_Sea 7.08 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.44 Pct
    Oceanian 1.43 Pct
    Northeast_African 3.36 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -

    Distance to: miarosie
    11.93469313 West_German
    12.97110250 Austrian
    13.54719897 South_Dutch
    14.09185935 Hungarian
    14.80220592 French
    15.42211399 East_German
    15.69449904 North_German
    15.77585180 Serbian
    18.01614831 Danish
    18.09465943 Southeast_English

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 3.0015% / 3.00146349 | ADC: 0.25x
    64.4 North_German
    12.6 West_German
    9.8 Yemenite_Jewish
    5.2 Hungarian
    4.2 Saudi
    3.8 Ethiopian_Amhara

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 1.3371% / 1.33711364
    71.2 Norwegian
    18.8 Yemenite_Jewish
    3.8 Ethiopian_Tigray
    2.6 Lezgin
    2.2 Belorussian
    1.0 Papuan
    0.4 Ethiopian_Amhara

    K15
    Population
    North_Sea 29.00 Pct
    Atlantic 19.18 Pct
    Baltic 8.72 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 10.42 Pct
    West_Med 6.06 Pct
    West_Asian 4.35 Pct
    East_Med 11.65 Pct
    Red_Sea 6.20 Pct
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 1.10 Pct
    Northeast_African 3.32 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -

    Distance to: miarosie
    11.50030434 West_German
    13.44974721 South_Dutch
    14.21372576 French
    15.07224602 Serbian
    15.26897181 Hungarian
    15.28587256 North_German
    15.61489033 East_German
    15.92787808 Austrian
    16.71890248 Danish
    17.20846594 North_Dutch

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 3.2367% / 3.23673003 | ADC: 0.25x
    43.4 West_German
    20.0 North_Swedish
    17.2 Danish
    7.2 Yemenite_Jewish
    6.0 Saudi
    3.6 Ethiopian_Tigray
    2.6 Serbian

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 1.8304% / 1.83039582
    38.2 West_Norwegian
    27.0 Danish
    16.0 Yemenite_Jewish
    4.2 Ethiopian_Tigray
    3.6 Chuvash
    3.2 Serbian
    3.0 Southwest_English
    2.2 Tabassaran
    1.0 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.8 Papuan
    0.8 Saudi

    K12b
    Population
    Gedrosia 6.06 Pct
    Siberian 0.50 Pct
    Northwest_African 1.78 Pct
    Southeast_Asian -
    Atlantic_Med 28.54 Pct
    North_European 37.99 Pct
    South_Asian 0.63 Pct
    East_African 2.44 Pct
    Southwest_Asian 9.44 Pct
    East_Asian -
    Caucasus 12.52 Pct
    Sub_Saharan 0.10 Pct

    Distance to: miarosie
    13.37789969 Hungarians
    14.23931880 German
    16.86630369 Mixed_Germanic
    17.42332345 Romanians
    17.70813090 French
    18.21247375 Dutch
    18.23451672 French
    19.16601680 Bulgarian
    19.91926705 Bulgarians
    20.15507628 Kent

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 1.5023% / 1.50231823 | ADC: 0.25x
    37.8 Hungarians
    25.0 German
    22.2 French
    5.8 Saudis
    4.2 Yemenese
    2.6 Ethiopians
    2.4 Algerian

    K23b
    Population
    Amerindian -
    Ancestral_Altaic 3.35 Pct
    South_Central_Asian 5.20 Pct
    Arctic -
    South_Indian -
    Australoid 0.80 Pct
    Austronesian -
    Caucasian 23.91 Pct
    Archaic_Human -
    East_African 2.11 Pct
    East_Siberian 0.19 Pct
    European_Early_Farmers 19.20 Pct
    Khoisan -
    Melano_Polynesian 1.33 Pct
    Archaic_African 0.30 Pct
    Near_East 7.84 Pct
    North_African 4.15 Pct
    Paleo_Siberian -
    African_Pygmy -
    South_East_Asian -
    Subsaharian -
    Tungus-Altaic -
    European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.61 Pct

    Distance to: miarosie
    9.49327657 German-Volga
    10.82947829 German_East
    11.39161095 Austrian
    11.49607759 South_German
    11.59422270 Serb_Serbia
    11.83627898 Montenegrian
    12.52708665 Italian_North
    12.61927890 Dutch
    12.78295349 Bulgarian
    12.84550505 Macedonian

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 4.0622% / 4.06224736 | ADC: 0.5x
    61.2 German-Volga
    13.2 German_East
    12.6 Austrian
    5.4 Egyptian_Kuwait
    3.0 Yemen
    2.8 Saudi
    1.8 Tatar-Mishar

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 1.8815% / 1.88151165 | ADC: 0.25x
    49.8 German-Volga
    32.2 Austrian
    7.0 Saudi
    3.2 Amhara
    2.8 Tatar_Mishar
    2.2 Ain_Touta_WGA
    1.8 Moroccan
    0.6 Australian_ECCAC
    0.2 Egyptian_Kuwait
    0.2 Naasioi

    HarappaWorld
    Population
    S-Indian -
    Baloch 8.01 Pct
    Caucasian 13.13 Pct
    NE-Euro 41.17 Pct
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 1.37 Pct
    American 0.34 Pct
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 23.83 Pct
    SW-Asian 9.43 Pct
    San -
    E-African 2.71 Pct
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    Distance to: miarosie
    11.02273106 hungarian
    12.38906373 slovenian
    12.65147422 serbian
    14.62497863 romanian-a
    15.34326888 french
    17.02933352 n-european
    17.17939754 bulgarian
    17.88735866 utahn-white
    18.32509482 utahn-white
    19.70412140 british

    Target: miarosie
    Distance: 1.9985% / 1.99847546 | ADC: 0.25x
    66.8 hungarian
    20.0 french
    9.4 qatari
    3.6 ethiopian-jew
    0.2 papuan

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    All those numbers like "11.02273106 Hungarian" mean is its taking your data and finding a middle point. Depending on what samples are used in the calculator depends on what populations appear and how big or small the distances are. Like I mentioned earlier in a Plot topic, its basically useless for people who are mixed in terms of finding a simple explanation for what a certain unknown ethnicity might be

    All of these are estimations, some calcs will fit you better than others.

    The model ran for you by Ayetooey is about as good as it can get. It shows clear British Isles ancestry, the NE Euro % is withing expected range and can be explained and the Arab is screaming Peninsular, along with regional explanations as to why Yemeni's were in that area of the UK.

    Now, should you be so inclined, the hard part is putting this together via paper trail to fill in the fine details.
    Last edited by digital_noise; 02-25-2020 at 08:12 PM.
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    All those numbers like "11.02273106 Hungarian" mean is its taking your data and finding a middle point. Depending on what samples are used in the calculator depends on what populations appear and how big or small the distances are.

    All of these are estimations, some calcs will fit you better than others.
    I was expecting them to be more consistent at least :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    You're not fully European so its not a good calc for you.
    ^^^ I'm inclined to agree.

    It works okay for Dad:

    Target: DewslothDad_scaled
    Distance: 0.6343% / 0.00634285
    28.2 British_Isles
    24.8 Western_Euro
    18.6 Central_Euro
    7.0 Ashkenazi
    6.0 Scandinavia
    4.6 Southern_Euro
    4.4 Southwest_Euro
    4.2 Baltic
    2.2 Balkan


    Distance to: DewslothDad_scaled
    0.02208442 Western_Euro
    0.02706253 Central_Euro
    0.02832847 Western_Euro
    0.03106639 Western_Euro
    0.03798327 Western_Euro
    0.03952440 British_Isles
    0.04012258 Western_Euro
    0.04117916 British_Isles
    0.04159607 British_Isles
    0.04173109 Western_Euro
    0.04276615 British_Isles
    0.04320722 Western_Euro
    0.04417001 British_Isles
    0.04455433 Central_Euro
    0.04457932 Balkan
    0.04465116 Western_Euro
    0.04471936 Western_Euro
    0.04800852 Balkan
    0.04811254 Southern_Euro
    0.04851787 Southwest_Euro
    0.04933842 Scandinavia
    0.04979410 Southwest_Euro
    0.05003372 Scandinavia
    0.05062408 Scandinavia
    0.05074931 Central_Euro


    But not so much for me (half Lebanese):

    Target: Dewsloth_scaled
    Distance: 1.6063% / 0.01606322
    62.2 Ashkenazi
    16.8 British_Isles
    16.8 Southern_Euro
    4.2 Western_Euro

    Distance to: Dewsloth_scaled
    0.03105666 Southern_Euro
    0.03314957 Ashkenazi
    0.03670444 Southern_Euro
    0.03699013 Southern_Euro
    0.03791912 Ashkenazi
    0.03887802 Southern_Euro
    0.04042856 Southern_Euro
    0.04257040 Ashkenazi
    0.04268914 Southern_Euro
    0.04304730 Southern_Euro
    0.04393834 Southern_Euro
    0.04492959 Balkan
    0.04572372 Ashkenazi
    0.04920443 Southern_Euro
    0.05475066 Southern_Euro
    0.05793344 Balkan
    0.06617636 Balkan
    0.06628078 Southwest_Euro
    0.07007995 Southwest_Euro
    0.07051664 Balkan
    0.07181314 Southwest_Euro
    0.07447741 Western_Euro
    0.07476288 Southwest_Euro
    0.07723799 Central_Euro
    0.08225807 Southwest_Euro
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by miarosie View Post
    I was expecting them to be more consistent at least :/
    You just have to find what works for you and go from there. G25 is better than Gedmatch cause you can pick and choose populations and develop a consistent foundation to build upon, instead of shooting in the dark with Gedmatch calculators (at least with the Gedmatch Oracles)
    distance%=4.6465"
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    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8

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    Distance to: Tim_Mother_test_Scaled
    0.03002452 Northwest_European
    0.03151486 Scando_Germanic
    0.04080002 North_Sea_Germanic
    0.05459960 Central_European
    0.05648909 Belgian_French
    0.07053056 Polish_Ukrainian
    0.08026783 Balkan
    0.08126511 Balto_Slavic_South
    0.08186981 Basque
    0.08473543 Balto_Slavic_North
    0.09132220 Finnic
    0.09879533 Iberian
    0.11247510 Greek_Albanian
    0.14254585 Sicilian_Maltese
    0.16162056 West_Turkish
    0.16586950 Circassian
    0.17342215 Tajik
    0.17598484 European_Jewish
    0.17716323 Udmurt
    0.18518878 Azeri
    0.19640249 Iranian
    0.20059829 Armenian_Assyrian
    0.20369952 Levant
    0.20485109 Abkhasian_Georgian
    0.22395306 Pashtun

    Distance to: Tim_G_father_scaled
    0.02207599 Northwest_European
    0.03191132 Scando_Germanic
    0.03513397 North_Sea_Germanic
    0.04264563 Belgian_French
    0.04627271 Central_European
    0.06656844 Polish_Ukrainian
    0.06921531 Basque
    0.06940801 Balkan
    0.08281791 Balto_Slavic_South
    0.08403058 Balto_Slavic_North
    0.08729580 Iberian
    0.09882363 Greek_Albanian
    0.10306405 Finnic
    0.12975751 Sicilian_Maltese
    0.15872009 West_Turkish
    0.15968074 Circassian
    0.16439023 European_Jewish
    0.17959824 Azeri
    0.18269572 Tajik
    0.18844538 Armenian_Assyrian
    0.19228760 Abkhasian_Georgian
    0.19228853 Levant
    0.19253787 Iranian
    0.19510235 Udmurt
    0.23133328 Pashtun

    Distance to: Tim_G_scaled
    0.01613496 Northwest_European
    0.02390995 Scando_Germanic
    0.03186605 North_Sea_Germanic
    0.04550560 Belgian_French
    0.04612013 Central_European
    0.06533671 Polish_Ukrainian
    0.07208415 Balkan
    0.07288785 Basque
    0.07935577 Balto_Slavic_South
    0.08177128 Balto_Slavic_North
    0.09086508 Iberian
    0.09511518 Finnic
    0.10379935 Greek_Albanian
    0.13470001 Sicilian_Maltese
    0.15881613 West_Turkish
    0.16146591 Circassian
    0.16900690 European_Jewish
    0.17689661 Tajik
    0.18122122 Azeri
    0.18518044 Udmurt
    0.19336058 Iranian
    0.19349830 Armenian_Assyrian
    0.19697744 Levant
    0.19757320 Abkhasian_Georgian
    0.22671779 Pashtun

    Target: Tim_Mother_test_Scaled
    Distance: 2.2884% / 0.02288359
    72.2 Northwest_European
    24.6 Scando_Germanic
    2.2 Amerindian
    1.0 Malawi_San

    Target: Tim_G_father_scaled
    Distance: 2.1330% / 0.02132976
    89.8 Northwest_European
    5.8 Basque
    3.2 Balto_Slavic_North
    1.2 Yemenite_Arab

    Target: Tim_G_scaled
    Distance: 1.5238% / 0.01523793
    83.6 Northwest_European
    14.2 Scando_Germanic
    1.4 Basque
    0.4 Amerindian
    0.2 Malawi_San
    0.2 Southeast_Asian
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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    You just have to find what works for you and go from there. G25 is better than Gedmatch cause you can pick and choose populations and develop a consistent foundation to build upon, instead of shooting in the dark with Gedmatch calculators (at least with the Gedmatch Oracles)
    Okay I just tried out a calculator with g25 and picked at random for now, k18 Calculator.

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    distance: 1.8466% / 0.01846558

    33.8 Steppe
    13.0 Red Sea
    11.6 Atlantic
    11.2 East Asian
    8.5 Paleo_Balkan
    4.6 San
    3.8 Ancient_southeast_asian

    And I tried out the Eurasian Calc
    43.2 Northeast European
    35.2 North African
    21.6 Iranian

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    I am 50% Ashkenazi, 37.5% Germanic, 12.5% Scottish Romanichal:

    Target: RC_scaled
    Distance: 2.0675% / 0.02067491
    36.0 Southern_Euro
    22.6 Balkan
    21.0 Scandinavia
    9.2 Ashkenazi
    7.2 Central_Euro
    2.6 Sardinian
    1.4 Western_Euro


    Where is my Ashkenazi??!!

    I don't get these calculators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolmets21 View Post
    I am 50% Ashkenazi, 37.5% Germanic, 12.5% Scottish Romanichal:

    Target: RC_scaled
    Distance: 2.0675% / 0.02067491
    36.0 Southern_Euro
    22.6 Balkan
    21.0 Scandinavia
    9.2 Ashkenazi
    7.2 Central_Euro
    2.6 Sardinian
    1.4 Western_Euro


    Where is my Ashkenazi??!!

    I don't get these calculators.
    This is purely speculation on my part but here goes: I recall seeing that Ashkenazi's plot very close to a Southern Italian. So possibly, for whatever reason, a portion of your Jewish is being seen as closer to Southern Italian (or in this case Southern European, whatever the sample used was..) and thus the 36% Southern Euro, which based on your stated ethnic make up, should not really be there. That might be the case, it might be horsesh*t, Im not really sure...
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    This is purely speculation on my part but here goes: I recall seeing that Ashkenazi's plot very close to a Southern Italian. So possibly, for whatever reason, a portion of your Jewish is being seen as closer to Southern Italian (or in this case Southern European, whatever the sample used was..) and thus the 36% Southern Euro, which based on your stated ethnic make up, should not really be there. That might be the case, it might be horsesh*t, Im not really sure...
    Agreed and thanks for taking the time for explaining that. Also, perhaps a bit of the Balkan. My dad sometimes plots with Croatian (He is German and Scottish Roma - maybe the Roma pushed his German a bit southeast and averages in the Balkans).

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