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    Quote Originally Posted by misnomer View Post
    how did we jump from all 3 are R1a to they are mitanni children? let the subclade come out.
    I2200 is the high coverage sample with 611k snps, I2189 is just 110k snps, so its global25 coordinates arent great. distance between siblings is high at 4.8%.
    The R1a could be from Z94 line, maybe its not we will see.
    Its not a jump at all, you have Ezidis modeling very similarly to that I2200, regardless of the clade, R1a is closely associated with Steppe MLBA related groups since they are fixed for it. One of the children is R1a, so one can infer from the sister both will model the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    FWIW - I am now permanently in YFull's Y-Tree, representing (for now) the R-BY160158 line. I have also messaged the unknown sample YF17019 who shares the same line as me within ~1900 years. I will update this thread when/if the person responds with his paternal origin. The other sample is a Tamil Srilankan from 1000Genomes, so effectively anonymous.

    Attachment 37492
    YFull just increased my paternal line's TMRCA by 1000 years. So, instead of 1900ybp, as it was earlier, it is now 2900ybp.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY160158/

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    The Genomic Formation of Human Populations in East Asia, Wang 2020 et al.

    The Wang 2020 Preprint has a few Nepali groups, including Bahuns, Newars, Tharus, Magars, Rais, Gurungs, Magars, and Sherpas.

    The Bahuns are very interesting in particular, because the paper has 5 samples (G25 has 4 of them). 1 of the samples is 97%+East Asian (not in G25), 3 of them are 20-30% East Asian. I have asked the authors to see if they are Chettris, but have not received a response yet. The paper is in pre-print, so will wait for the final labels.

    Bahuns -- added existing Bahuns for comparison. The Ba-48 sample's breakdown looks very similar to mine.
    Sample Fit Chokhopani 2700BP Shahr I Sokhta BA3 Oy Dzhaylau MLBA Dzharkutan1 BA
    poi ► poi wife 2.31 3 57.5 31.5 8
    poi ► pnb-g25 2.02 6.5 55.5 24.5 13.5
    Bahun ► Ba48 2.75 8 51.5 22 18.5
    poi ► poi-ftdna 2.6 9 51 23.5 16.5
    Bahun ► Ba15 2.14 23 47 19 11
    Bahun ► Ba25 2.38 29.5 44 14 12.5
    Bahun ► Ba37 2.59 31 42.5 13.5 13

    https://genoplot.com/shared/g25/#poi/1730308f69c1

    Other Nepalis (Mean and Median)

    Sample Fit Chokhopani 2700BP Shahr I Sokhta BA3 Oy Dzhaylau MLBA Dzharkutan1 BA
    Sherpa ► Average 2.6 99.5 0 0.5 0
    Sherpa ► Median 2.5 99 0 1 0
    Rai ► Median 2.04 99 0 1 0
    Rai ► Average 1.9 99 0 1 0
    Gurung ► Average 1.45 93.5 4.5 1 1
    Gurung ► Median 1.5 92 4.5 1.5 2
    Tamang ► Median 2.01 85 10.5 3 1.5
    Tamang ► Average 1.81 85 10.5 3 1.5
    Magar ► Average 1.72 84.5 12 3.5 0
    Magar ► Median 1.43 83.5 13 3.5 0
    Tharu ► Median 3.11 64.5 35.5 0 0
    Tharu ► Average 2.7 61 38.5 0.5 0
    Newar ► Median 1.95 53.5 37.5 9 0
    Newar ► Average 2.16 53 38.5 8.5 0

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    For comparison, qpAdm on the Bahun samples by breaking them apart.

    target calc:chisq calc:pval source:Nepal_Chokhopani_2700BP.SG source:Uzbekistan_BA_Dzharkutan1 source:Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta_published source:Kazakhstan_MLBA_OyDzhaylau
    Bahun(3 samples) 9.832 0.198318 0.355 0.482 0.163
    Bahun(Ba02) 7.706 0.462723 0.996 0.004
    Bahun(Ba48) 6.889 0.33122 0.111 0.027 0.622 0.239

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    Looks like I join you poi.

    Tested positive for Y198829 T+ on yseq (on my own y-dna) which they say is equivalent to R-BY160158 on yfull.

    In terms of my paternal ancestry - going back at least 10 generations - a Hindu named "Shonaray Purkayastha" who converted to Islam. Documented to have moved from 'North Bengal' to the Sylhet region, and took up the title Kha(n) Sahib.

    I'm not sure exactly where in North Bengal they refer to but today, it generally refers to these two areas in blue / lilac crossing both West Bengal and Bangladesh. Sylhet is in orange (in Bangladesh).

    Screen Shot 2020-07-10 at 21.30.41.png

    The caste title Purkayastha probably refers to functional rather than originally hereditary caste - courtier / scribe, but the article below is interesting:

    Discover of North-East India - Chapter 20 - on some castes and caste-origins in Sylhet - K M Gupta

    It suggests that "in the padavi 'Purakayastha' or 'Purkait' (meaning the head scribe or chief courtier), which is so common among the Brahmanas and Kayasthas of Sylhet..."









    Last edited by Reza; 07-10-2020 at 09:29 PM.
    Paternal; Y-DNA: R1a-L657> Y6> Y11> Y920*
    Paternal; mtDNA: M5b'c
    Maternal; Y-DNA: R1a-L657> Y6
    Maternal; mtDNA: M4b1
    Maternal Grandmother; Y-DNA: R1a-L657> Y6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Looks like I join you poi.

    Tested positive for Y198829 T+ on yseq (on my own y-dna) which they say is equivalent to R-BY160158 on yfull.

    In terms of my paternal ancestry - going back at least 10 generations - a Hindu named "Shonaray Purkayastha" who converted to Islam. Documented to have moved from 'North Bengal' to the Sylhet region, and took up the title Kha(n) Sahib.

    I'm not sure exactly where in North Bengal they refer to but today, it generally refers to these two areas in blue / lilac crossing both West Bengal and Bangladesh. Sylhet is in orange (in Bangladesh).

    Screen Shot 2020-07-10 at 21.30.41.png

    The caste title Purkayastha probably refers to functional rather than originally hereditary caste - courtier / scribe, but the article below is interesting:

    Discover of North-East India - Chapter 20 - on some castes and caste-origins in Sylhet - K M Gupta

    It suggests that "in the padavi 'Purakayastha' or 'Purkait' (meaning the head scribe or chief courtier), which is so common among the Brahmanas and Kayasthas of Sylhet..."









    Nice, is it possible for YSeq to be in YFull? It could help build our line. I am also very curious how we end up wrt the SriLankan Tamil sample. I tried to contact the other person (private YFull customer) from our branch but he has not responded yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    FWIW - I am now permanently in YFull's Y-Tree, representing (for now) the R-BY160158 line. I have also messaged the unknown sample YF17019 who shares the same line as me within ~1900 years. I will update this thread when/if the person responds with his paternal origin. The other sample is a Tamil Srilankan from 1000Genomes, so effectively anonymous.
    ...
    Any update on YF17019?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Looks like I join you poi.

    Tested positive for Y198829 T+ on yseq (on my own y-dna) which they say is equivalent to [COLOR=#484848]R-BY160158 on yfull.

    In terms of my paternal ancestry - going back at least 10 generations - a Hindu named "Shonaray Purkayastha" who converted to Islam. Documented to have moved from 'North Bengal' to the Sylhet region, and took up the title Kha(n) Sahib.

    I'm not sure exactly where in North Bengal they refer to but today, it generally refers to these two areas in blue / lilac crossing both West Bengal and Bangladesh. Sylhet is in orange (in Bangladesh).
    ...

    The caste title Purkayastha probably refers to functional rather than originally hereditary caste - courtier / scribe, but the article below is interesting:

    Discover of North-East India - Chapter 20 - on some castes and caste-origins in Sylhet - K M Gupta
    ...
    Yes Kayaths were chiefs (bhuiya) and rulers of Bangal. So strong was the Kayath influence that when Akbar's courtier Abul Fazl wrote his history he made some non-kayath lines kayath too!
    The Pundir region (Pundravardhana) of Bangal was where the Pals originated and they at times ruled as far as Afghanistan and Goa. Even today there are Jats and Rajputs that go by the moniker Pundir.

    "Since the conceptions of sovereign rule embrace the universe, I propose to begin with Bengal which is at one extremity of Hindustán and to pro*ceed to Zabulistán ...
    Bordering on this country are the dominions of the Rájah of Ashá m (Assam) whose great pomp and state are subjects of general report. When he dies, his principal attendants of both sexes voluntarily bury themselves alive in his grave. Neighbouring this is Lower Tibet and to its left is Khata.* This is also called Maháchín which the vulgar pronounce Máchín. From Khán Báligh* its capital ...
    The original name of Bengal was Bang. Its former rulers raised mounds [aka kurgans or stupas] measuring ten yards in height and twenty in breadth throughout the province which were called A´l.* From this suffix, the name Bengal took its rise and currency ...
    Its rivers are countless and the first of them in this province is the Ganges...
    Another river is the Brahmaputra ...
    The principal cultivation is rice of which there are numerous kinds ...
    Jannatábád is an ancient city: for a time, it was the capital of Bengal and was widely known as Lakhnauti and for a while as Gaur ...
    Cháṭgáoṇ [Chittagong] is a large city situated by the sea and belted by woods. It is considered an excellent port and is the resort of Christian and other merchants...

    A general view of the country having now been cursorily given, I proceed to record the succession of its rulers and the duration of their reigns. Twenty-four princes of the Khatri caste, kept aflame the torch of sovereignty from father to son in succession during 2418 years ...
    Nine princes of the Káyeth caste ruled in succession 520 years after which the sovereignty passed to another Káyeth house ...
    Eleven princes reigned in succession 714 years, after which another Káyeth family bore rule ...
    Ten princes reigned 698* years, after which the sway of another Káyeth family was established ... Seven princes governed in succession during 106 years.
    Sixty-one princes thus reigned for the space of 4,544 years when Bengal became subject to the Kings of Delhi. From the time of Sulṭán Ḳuṭb u' ddín Aibak to Sulṭán Muḥammad Tughlaḳ Sháh 17* governors ruled during a period of 156 years ...
    Fifty princes ruled during about 357 years and one hundred and eleven kept alive the torch of sovereignty throughout the period, approxi*mately, of 4,813 years and passed into the sleep of dissolution ...
    At the time when Kuṭbu'ddin Aibak held India for Shahábu'ddín, the Khilji took possession of Behár by force of arms, and when he marched upon Bengal, the Rája, escaped in a boat. Muḥammad Bahktiyar, entered Bengal and having amassed enormous plunder, he destroyed the city of Nadiyá and transferred the capital to Lakhnauti. From that time Bengal has been subject to the kings of Delhi."

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Any update on YF17019?
    No, it has been 2 months and no response.

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