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    H3g4 from Portugal

    Hi! After WGS analysis of mtdna I found that my haplogroup should be H3g4. I do not have much information on other with the same haplogroup. However, as far as I can explore my maternal line, it lies in Portuguese city of Barcelos until around 1665.
    Does anyone has more info on this haplogroup?

    Best regards

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    Celtic haplogroup , more related to galician and basque country i'm h1j1a

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    I don't think there's much that can be said, mtDNA mutates slowly and your haplogroup's TMRCA is probably way too old to be associated with any specific culture.

    https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H3g4/
    YDNA E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 (TMRCA ~1100AD) - Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA H20 - Monica Vieira, b. circa 1700 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

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    [1] "distance%=1.6007"

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    Thanks Ruderico! It seam a bit frequent in northern Portugal. My oldest mtdna ancestor was from Barcelos. However, most reported H3G4 are from Ireland and uk. It may be somehow related to Celtic old populations. But I agree with you, this is a 6000 years old clade...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kafky View Post
    Thanks Ruderico! It seam a bit frequent in northern Portugal. My oldest mtdna ancestor was from Barcelos. However, most reported H3G4 are from Ireland and uk. It may be somehow related to Celtic old populations. But I agree with you, this is a 6000 years old clade...
    They also test way more than we do, so it could be sample bias. It's perfectly possible for it to be Celtic, but maternal lines tend to be more sedentary than paternal lines, since Iron Age migrations were usually male-dominated. My maternal line only changed locations twice since my earliest maternal record to my grandmother (from Marco de Canaveses to Cinfães). My mother is from Porto, like yourself
    YDNA E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 (TMRCA ~1100AD) - Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA H20 - Monica Vieira, b. circa 1700 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

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    [1] "distance%=1.6007"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    They also test way more than we do, so it could be sample bias. It's perfectly possible for it to be Celtic, but maternal lines tend to be more sedentary than paternal lines, since Iron Age migrations were usually male-dominated. My maternal line only changed locations twice since my earliest maternal record to my grandmother (from Marco de Canaveses to Cinfães). My mother is from Porto, like yourself
    Thanks Ruderico! I know very well that zone between Cinfães and Marco. I may live in that zone later this year :-) My maternal line oldest record is from Barcelos, a marriage record in 1751, providing info on two more generations, also from Barcelos. Then migrated to Porto around 1890. Nevertheless, the common matchs from ftdna show links to Ireland and northern Portugal.
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    They also test way more than we do, so it could be sample bias. It's perfectly possible for it to be Celtic, but maternal lines tend to be more sedentary than paternal lines, since Iron Age migrations were usually male-dominated. My maternal line only changed locations twice since my earliest maternal record to my grandmother (from Marco de Canaveses to Cinfães). My mother is from Porto, like yourself
    It seems that my mother's paternal line went through Marco de Canaveses but I don't have solid proof yet. At some point I'd like to confirm her father's haplogroup as well (odds of Portuguese being under DF27 are good, right?), but that probably will be a little difficult.
    Last edited by m_etch; 07-14-2021 at 02:20 AM.
     
    Based on my test and test results from matches who I'm confident are descended from a common ancestor, I should be under DF27>ZZ12_1>FGC78762>ZZ19_1>Z31644+.

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