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    My paternal line is from year circa 1600 to present in North east italy ( treviso province in Veneto ) before 1600 it was in Fonzaso Trentino and before that Val di Non , Trentino


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483 )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-L22 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    a model from last year, when vahaduo was hip, based on the ancients from italy
    IA and replacing replacing IA with Proto-Villanova (in n.italy cultures derive from Proto-Villanova)



    IA:R473,R474,R1015,R1021,R851 Longobards_Germanic:CL84,CL92,CL145,CL146,CL151 Longobards_non_Germanic:CL53, CL47,CL63 Collegno_outlier1:CL25,CL38,CL30 Proto-Villanova:R1
    Non 100% Scandinavian, maybe, but non-Germanic??

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
    Distance: 0.6074% / 0.00607395
    27.2 DEU_MA
    15.8 HUN_MA_Szolad
    11.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    8.2 DEU_MA_o
    8.0 HUN_Tiszapolgar_ECA
    5.2 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    4.8 ITA_Collegno_MA
    4.0 DEU_Tollense_BA
    3.2 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
    3.2 HUN_Tisza_LN
    2.8 Levant_LBN_MA
    2.2 Iberia_Central_CA
    1.8 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
    1.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
    0.6 RUS_Alan_MA
    0.4 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
    0.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL53
    Distance: 1.4550% / 0.01455020
    24.8 England_Saxon
    18.8 Baltic_EST_MA
    11.8 HUN_Lengyel_LN
    6.6 DEU_Singen_EBA
    5.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
    4.4 DNK_BA
    4.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
    4.0 DEU_LBK_HBS
    3.4 IRL_Megalithic
    3.4 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    2.8 Iberia_N
    2.6 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
    2.4 RUS_Alan_MA
    1.8 DEU_Tollense_BA
    1.0 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
    1.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
    1.0 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
    0.2 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL47
    Distance: 1.0837% / 0.01083716
    25.4 ITA_Collegno_MA
    21.2 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
    12.6 SRB_N
    8.0 Corded_Ware_DEU
    7.8 DEU_Tollense_BA
    5.8 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    5.6 Levant_LBN_MA
    4.6 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
    3.4 HUN_Starcevo_N
    1.4 TUR_Kumtepe_N
    1.2 Bell_Beaker_England
    1.2 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.8 USA_colonial_period
    0.6 HUN_Lengyel_LN
    0.4 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Well that's interesting. They each got Tollense, but each got a different Tollense individual:

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
    Distance: 0.6078% / 0.00607847
    19.8 DEU_MA:ALH_10
    11.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA:I1008
    8.4 HUN_Tiszapolgar_ECA:I2356
    8.0 DEU_MA_o:STR_300
    7.4 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ14
    6.8 DEU_MA:STR_486
    5.8 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ2
    5.0 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_resA171
    5.0 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL93
    4.2 DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ51
    3.6 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale:I0113
    3.4 HUN_Tisza_LN:I2358
    2.8 Levant_LBN_MA:SI-42
    1.8 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ30
    1.8 Iberia_Central_CA:I3485
    1.6 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9129
    1.4 Baltic_LTU_BA:Turlojiske1
    0.8 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ4
    0.6 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C:I2512
    0.4 RUS_Alan_MAA146
    0.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP:MUN001

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL53
    Distance: 1.4550% / 0.01454963
    25.2 England_Saxon:I0773
    18.6 Baltic_EST_MA:s19_IIf_1
    11.6 HUN_Lengyel_LN:I1899
    6.6 DEU_Singen_EBA:MX279
    5.0 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C:I2922
    4.8 DNK_BA:RISE276
    4.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1793
    4.2 DEU_LBK_HBS:I2026
    3.2 IRL_Megalithic:prs006
    2.6 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9130
    2.6 Iberia_N:mur
    2.0 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI012
    1.8 DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ56
    1.8 RUS_Alan_MAA146
    1.4 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI002
    1.0 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I9005
    1.0 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032
    1.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya:I6266
    1.0 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm127

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL47
    Distance: 1.0837% / 0.01083702
    25.6 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL83
    21.2 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:NNM-A-1
    12.8 SRB_N:I5405
    7.8 DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ53
    7.6 Corded_Ware_DEU:I1544
    5.6 Levant_LBN_MA:SI-42
    4.6 SWE_Ollsjo_BA:oll010
    4.6 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI017
    3.6 HUN_Starcevo_N:I0174
    1.2 Bell_Beaker_England:I2416
    1.2 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kls001
    1.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya:I6266
    1.0 TUR_Kumtepe_N:kum6
    1.0 USA_colonial_period:US-14
    0.6 HUN_Lengyel_LN:I1899
    0.6 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI002
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    The French Iron age samples vary from North French to Southern and some are even mixed with early Iberians.

    Why would not Gauls from North Italy be similar to them?
    I dont know. I am just wondering what They were the tribes who inhabit pretty much Northeast Italy. There were Illyrians, Veneti and probably Celts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inimer View Post
    If anyone knows where I can find N.Italian kits or has some I'm curious to see.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...McUNQ2Xib7ngzU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Most of these samples aren't full North Italian, I recognize that one of them is a Brazilian guy with only 1/8 North Italian ancestry and loads of German/Austrian ancestors + colonial Brazilian ancestors.

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    Doing a research about the tribes inhabit Northeast Italy in wiki it says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carni was a gaulish tribe.
    Another one it was Veneti as i mention above.Probably IE speakers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetic_language
    And also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_people


    Pretty much rhaetians,gauls(celts) and Veneti.Those were the original inhabitants of Northeast Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    The French Iron age samples vary from North French to Southern and some are even mixed with early Iberians.

    Why would not Gauls from North Italy be similar to them?
    In fact most were mixed with local Ligurians, Etruscans, Umbrians etc.

    Greeks had been trading with the Eneti from the sixth century BC.[6] Mass Celtic incursions into the Po valley resulted in friction between the Gauls and Etruscans and intermarriage, attested by epigraphic inscriptions on which Etruscan and Celtic names appear together. The city was populated[7] by Etruscans, Eneti, Greeks and Celts.
    The archaeological evidence from Bologna and its vicinity contradicts the testimony of Polybius and Livy on some points, who say the Boii expelled the Etruscans and perhaps some were forced to leave. It much rather indicates that the Boii neither destroyed nor depopulated Felsinum, but simply moved in and became part of the population by intermarriage.[11] The cemeteries of the period in Bologna contain La Tène weapons and other artifacts, as well as Etruscan items such as bronze mirrors. At Monte Bibele not far away one grave contained La Tène weapons and a pot with an Etruscan female name scratched on it.
    Taurini Semigalli proxima gens erat in Italiam degresso
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padanian_Etruria

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boii

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurini
    Last edited by Grabovio; 09-24-2020 at 09:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Non 100% Scandinavian, maybe, but non-Germanic??

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
    Distance: 0.6074% / 0.00607395
    27.2 DEU_MA
    15.8 HUN_MA_Szolad
    11.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    8.2 DEU_MA_o
    8.0 HUN_Tiszapolgar_ECA
    5.2 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    4.8 ITA_Collegno_MA
    4.0 DEU_Tollense_BA
    3.2 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
    3.2 HUN_Tisza_LN
    2.8 Levant_LBN_MA
    2.2 Iberia_Central_CA
    1.8 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
    1.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
    0.6 RUS_Alan_MA
    0.4 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
    0.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL53
    Distance: 1.4550% / 0.01455020
    24.8 England_Saxon
    18.8 Baltic_EST_MA
    11.8 HUN_Lengyel_LN
    6.6 DEU_Singen_EBA
    5.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
    4.4 DNK_BA
    4.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
    4.0 DEU_LBK_HBS
    3.4 IRL_Megalithic
    3.4 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    2.8 Iberia_N
    2.6 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
    2.4 RUS_Alan_MA
    1.8 DEU_Tollense_BA
    1.0 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
    1.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
    1.0 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
    0.2 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA

    Target: ITA_Collegno_MA:CL47
    Distance: 1.0837% / 0.01083716
    25.4 ITA_Collegno_MA
    21.2 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
    12.6 SRB_N
    8.0 Corded_Ware_DEU
    7.8 DEU_Tollense_BA
    5.8 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    5.6 Levant_LBN_MA
    4.6 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
    3.4 HUN_Starcevo_N
    1.4 TUR_Kumtepe_N
    1.2 Bell_Beaker_England
    1.2 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.8 USA_colonial_period
    0.6 HUN_Lengyel_LN
    0.4 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
    i think its just labels to better seperate certain groups that came to n.Italy within a migration-era people; but whether 'Germanic' or 'non-Germnaic' (or full- and partial-) these were the Longobards nonetheless; 'non-Germanic' CL53 for example a proper Longobard warrior infact

    Geno2.0 51SEURO 19WCEURO 13SCANDINAVIA 5ASIAMINOR 4EEURO 4GB/IRELAND 3ARABIA myOrigins 26ITA.PENINSULA 13GREECE&BALKANS 12SARDINIA 18GREATBRITAIN 14IRELAND 10CEN.EUROPE 8SCANDINAVIA DNA.Land 49NWEURO 27SEURO 13MED.ISLANDER 11SARDINIAN myHeritage 51.8NWEURO 33.2ITALIAN 7.9GREEK/S.ITALY 7.1BALKAN gencove 29NITALY 19EMED 15NBRITISLES 12SWEURO 10NCEURO 9SCANDINAVIA 6NEEURO GenePlaza 54.4NWEURO 37.6GREEK/ALBANIAN 5.6WASIAN 2.4SWASIA LivingDNA 70.7SGERMANIC 16.3TUSCANY 9.2N.ITALY 3.8SARDINIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    My paternal line is from year circa 1600 to present in North east italy ( treviso province in Veneto ) before 1600 it was in Fonzaso Trentino and before that Val di Non , Trentino
    You know that is almost sure you had ladin ancestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    How can other people use them? How can load my kit?
    My results:

    YDNA: R1b-U106 --> R-Z2265 --> BY30097 --> Z18 (positive to Z16 and Z14) --> FGC79182 --> Z17 --> Z372 --> S4037 --> CTS5860 (positive). First known ancestor : Simone L******, married in Mala (Fersental - italian Tirol) in 1537.

    mtDNA: H2a2a1g firs known ancestor: Lucia Tomasi born in Bedollo (italian Tirol) in early 1700 years.

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