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    Copt autosomal results in comparison to other non coptic egyptians

    I wanted to ask a few questions about my results. I am surprised by how much southwest asian I have in comparison to the other Egyptians... Lebanese christian I can understand but the Yemenite shows up on ALL MY ANCESTRY RESULTS AND TESTS... now I do know there were several waves of migration of Yemenis to Egypt in ancient times... but why don't the other Egyptians have this Yemeni? Screen Shot 2020-03-25 at 2.45.09 PM.pngScreen Shot 2020-03-25 at 2.52.17 PM.pngScreen Shot 2020-03-25 at 2.52.43 PM.pngScreen Shot 2020-03-25 at 2.53.14 PM.png

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    Do you think you have recent West Asian ancestry? Have you compared yourself to other Copts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lank View Post
    Do you think you have recent West Asian ancestry? Have you compared yourself to other Copts?
    Based on need4speed I seen to be a regular copt. I may be a typical copt for middle Egypt of Asyut. But the whole myth of copts have lower Arabian than muslim Egyptians is false based on the results I am showing up there!!!
    Last edited by LTG; 03-26-2020 at 03:22 PM. Reason: Swearing removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    Based on need4speed I seen to be a regular copt. I may be a typical copt for middle Egypt of Asyut. But the whole myth of copts have lower Arabian than muslim Egyptians is bullshit based on the results I am showing up there!!!
    That may be so, depending on what you mean. It should be specified whether we're discussing recent Arabian ancestry (postdating the Islamic invasion), or including older Arabian-like ancestry/affinity.

    The only relevant ancient DNA we have, from Abusir el-Meleq, is rather similar to both Copts and Muslim Egyptians as far as I know. Especially when we account for recent SSA admixture in the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lank View Post
    That may be so, depending on what you mean. It should be specified whether we're discussing recent Arabian ancestry (postdating the Islamic invasion), or including older Arabian-like ancestry/affinity.

    The only relevant ancient DNA we have, from Abusir el-Meleq, is rather similar to both Copts and Muslim Egyptians as far as I know. Especially when we account for recent SSA admixture in the latter.
    On 23andme, I get 6.7% peninsular Arab and as far as I know, 23andme is the last 200 years? That to me is recent. Now, as for all this Arabian dna in my autosomal make up.. 37% Yemeni is a lot. I do not think it's recent given that copts were very particular in who they bred with. BUT it could be from an earlier Arabian migration prior to Islam.

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    What does 3DRIF26 look like run against that panel?
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    What does 3DRIF26 look like run against that panel?
    Never mind, I think I figured it out. I ran 3DRIF26 along with my mom out of curiosity:

    Distance to: England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o:3DT26
    0.01584946 BedouinA
    0.02739583 Yemenite_Amran
    0.02742038 Lebanese_Christian
    0.03073792 Libyan
    0.03765793 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.04414243 BedouinB
    0.04798493 Yemenite_Mahra
    0.05223080 Azeri_Turkey
    0.06270260 Moroccan_North
    0.06435058 Iranian_Mazandarani
    0.07392770 Georgian_Imer
     

    Distance to: DewslothMom
    0.01296855 Lebanese_Christian
    0.02534055 BedouinA
    0.03129470 Azeri_Turkey
    0.04318399 Iranian_Mazandarani
    0.04775380 Libyan
    0.04928018 Yemenite_Amran
    0.05381029 Georgian_Imer
    0.05892794 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.06814919 BedouinB
    0.07115494 Moroccan_North
    0.07191729 Yemenite_Mahra


    Target: England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o:3DT26
    Distance: 1.2927% / 0.01292704
    35.4 Lebanese_Christian
    28.4 Libyan
    20.4 Yemenite_Amran
    12.4 BedouinB
    3.4 Georgian_Imer

     

    Target: DewslothMom
    Distance: 1.0942% / 0.01094161
    83.6 Lebanese_Christian
    11.2 Georgian_Imer
    1.8 BedouinA
    1.8 Moroccan_North
    1.6 Iranian_Mazandarani
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Whenever I bring up the high arabian in me to others.. they dont know what to say because it goes against everything we have ever thought about copts and non copts. I think its time to address it!

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    Ancient_EGY samples score more Yemenite Mahra than you

    Target: EGY_Late_Period
    Distance: 3.5709% / 0.03570903
    43.6 Yemenite_Mahra
    37.6 Lebanese_Christian
    11.4 Libyan
    7.4 Moroccan

    Target: EGY_Hellenistic
    Distance: 5.1746% / 0.05174597
    32.0 Yemenite_Mahra
    29.8 Lebanese_Christian
    23.0 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    15.2 Moroccan
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883253
    93.8 Somali
    6.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    Target: Mother_scaled
    Distance: 2.7252% / 0.02725184
    91.8 Somali
    8.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
    6%

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    G25 depends on the used references it doesnt exactly
    Means you have ancestry from this references.
    The reason copts and abusir el malaq mummies score higher yemeni is because they had higher Natufian ancestry than do recent Levantinese.
    The modernn Copts are very similar to Late period ancient egyptians.
    The ancient populations of Egypt and Near east shared related ancestries..this might confuse someone who is not experienced enough in genetic modelling.

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