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    What would have the inhabitants of the Ubaid period in Iraq looked like?

    Not sure if this is the right category to ask this question in but I am interested in learning more about the ancient Iraqis specifically about the Ubaid periods, Samarra and basically that time period in modern day Iraq. Would these people have been closest to the Marsh Arabs today? To Sumerians? What phenotype would they have had?

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    Slightly higher cephalic index, slightly lower height-length index and slightly higher breadth-height index than later Sumerian skulls. Overall, I guess Ubaid people would have been not very different from later Sumerians in terms of general ratios, but they definitely were bigger headed than Sumerians in terms of raw measurements such as cranial length, width, height, bigonal, and bizygomatic measurements. No clue about pigmentation though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph View Post
    Slightly higher cephalic index, slightly lower height-length index and slightly higher breadth-height index than later Sumerian skulls. Overall, I guess Ubaid people would have been not very different from later Sumerians in terms of general ratios, but they definitely were bigger headed than Sumerians in terms of raw measurements such as cranial length, width, height, bigonal, and bizygomatic measurements. No clue about pigmentation though.
    Do we have an idea of what sumerians looked like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph View Post
    Slightly higher cephalic index, slightly lower height-length index and slightly higher breadth-height index than later Sumerian skulls. Overall, I guess Ubaid people would have been not very different from later Sumerians in terms of general ratios, but they definitely were bigger headed than Sumerians in terms of raw measurements such as cranial length, width, height, bigonal, and bizygomatic measurements. No clue about pigmentation though.
    Do you happen to know their yDNA and mtDNA haplogroups?

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    Groups within Iraq that have not been incurring much admixture are more meaningful than groups that have been incurring a ton of foreign ancestry or themselves are a byproduct of 2-way or 3-way or 4-way admixture. So Iraqi Christians, Mandeans or Iraqi Jews should be more closely related to any ancient Mesopotamian group of any time period. The Ubaid people would have been heavy in Iran Neolithic-like ancestry. I mean we are talking about 8000-6000 years ago, so they should be uniquely different from any Iraqi when it comes to how their autosomal profile looks like. As for how they looked, they would have the stereotypical Iran Neolithic-like traits, the phenotypic traits that overlap between modern groups with Iran Neolithic-like ancestry. That's just my guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jatt1 View Post
    Do you happen to know their yDNA and mtDNA haplogroups?
    Some form of J2 and J1 appear in the bronze age levantine samples along with significant Iran Neolithic-like ancestry. This means the migrants to the levant responsible for the emergence of these haplogroups and admixture in the levant came from somewhere else. The Ubaid period is the period in Mesopotamia during the Chalcolithic. Therefore, if Mesopotamia is responsible for the dispersal of said haplogroups and admixture, then the Mesopotamians in the Ubaid period probably carried some related form of J2 and J1 at the very least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammies View Post
    Some form of J2 and J1 appear in the bronze age levantine samples along with significant Iran Neolithic-like ancestry. This means the migrants to the levant responsible for the emergence of these haplogroups and admixture in the levant came from somewhere else. The Ubaid period is the period in Mesopotamia during the Chalcolithic. Therefore, if Mesopotamia is responsible for the dispersal of said haplogroups and admixture, then the Mesopotamians in the Ubaid period probably carried some related form of J2 and J1 at the very least.
    Were not the farmers in the fertile crescent E, G and T?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jatt1 View Post
    Were not the farmers in the fertile crescent E, G and T?
    Anatolian Farmers during the Neolithic were G, and Levantine Farmers during the Neolithic were E & T. Not sure about Iranian Farmers. There has been no ancient samples from Iraq thus far, from any time period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammies View Post
    Anatolian Farmers during the Neolithic were G, and Levantine Farmers during the Neolithic were E & T. Not sure about Iranian Farmers. There has been no ancient samples from Iraq thus far, from any time period.
    Most likely J2, there is old dispersal of J2 into India, especially western India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    Do we have an idea of what sumerians looked like?
    Easily mistaken for stoners

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    And when they've come down
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