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Thread: R1b-L151 in Afanasievo: Good Y-DNA Call or Not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Notice the stats so far:not suggesting any group is harboring a grudge. As they can change at any time with new samples,
    There are more samples of:
    1}R1b-Z2103>9 amongst R1b-L52+,Q,J,C Afanasievo speakers>than R1a
    2}R1b-Z2103>9 amongst R1b-L52+ Estearn Europe Bell Beakers >than R1a Z280+and or Z93+
    3}R1b-Z2103>9 amongst R1a Sintashta burials than R1b- L52+
    4}R1b-Z2103>9 amongst L51+ Latin tribes than any R1a Z280+ and or Z93+
    I call these shah mat stats--R1b>Z2103 [Hajji Firuz & company]
    Do you have the paper with Z280 Bell Beaker?
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    Thus far there has been no R1a in Bell Beaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Thus far there has been no R1a in Bell Beaker.
    OK, why does he write it says R1a Z280 and Z93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    OK, why does he write it says R1a Z280 and Z93
    I don't know.

    I'm not saying we'll never find R1a in Beaker, just that we haven't thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I don't know.

    I'm not saying we'll never find R1a in Beaker, just that we haven't thus far.
    No, all right, I thought it was a new piece of paper that he posted there
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    I think we're eventually going to see that Beaker simply developed from Corded Ware, perhaps in a single, P312-heavy clan that managed to be successful and expand rapidly during the 3rd millennium BC.

    Corded Ware to Bell Beakers_transition from AOO beakers to maritime_Dutch Model.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    No, all right, I thought it was a new piece of paper that he posted there
    R1a in Bell Beaker is very rare, I wonder if there was any animosity between these groups .
    On another note, it would be interesting to see potential Toch A regions tested like Jiaohe or Yarkhoto 10 km west of the city of Turpan in Xinjiang , or Turfan region itself, seeing if there are any similarities with Xiaohe pottery, metallurgy, horses . Just saying

    According to J. P. Mallory and Victor H. Mair, the earliest accounts of the Jushi report them to have "lived in tents, followed the grasses and waters, and had considerable knowledge of agriculture. They owned cattle, horses, camels, sheep and goats. They were proficient with bows and arrows".[2]
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28034925/n.../#.XoX1UIhKjIX
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I think we're eventually going to see that Beaker simply developed from Corded Ware, perhaps in a single, P312-heavy clan that managed to be successful and expand rapidly during the 3rd millennium BC.

    Corded Ware to Bell Beakers_transition from AOO beakers to maritime_Dutch Model.jpg
    We have in the 2018 Olade paper that BBs Netherlands / Niederrhein and GB are derived from the SGC and the other group of maritime origin from Iberia and the third group a mix with the Yamnaya
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    The AOC beaker is a mix from Corded ware and AOO beaker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    R1a in Bell Beaker is very rare . . .
    Extremely rare. In fact, there has never been an R1a Beaker found yet.

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