E-Z5009 (E-M183): From the the Maghreb to Europe and the New World

[Ibericus]

I just got my results from the Yseq panel that I ordered: E-Z5009*. It's a bit disappointing, to be honest, because I was hoping to go a bit further downstream. The only reference to Z-5009 in general that I could find on these forums is this:

E-Z5009 (tmrca 1900 ybp) is highly correlated with Spanish settlers in the New World, and it's basal branches are in the Maghreb. With a tmrca of 1900, it points to a clear Maghrebi founder line in Iberia that became somewhat successful in the New World.
(The semitic origin of Al Andalus)

Regarding the Z-5009* paragroup in particular, Yfull tree shows all the countries in Maghreb plus Mauritania, Belgium and England. Meanwhile FTDNA public haplotree has a bunch of new sub-branches for which Yseq doesn't test plus the following branch participants:

Morocco - 13 participants

Algeria - 6 participants

Spain - 4 participants

France - 4 participants

Tunisia - 3 participants

Saudi Arabia - 3 participants

Egypt - 2 participants

Libya - 2 participants

Lebanon - 2 participants

Mauritania - 2 participants

Puerto Rico - 1 participant

Scotland - 1 participant

United States - 1 participant

Switzerland - 1 participant

Colombia - 1 participant

Any other Z-5009 around here?

[Adamm]

Z5009 is widespread in Morocco and Algeria:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z5009/

Join this facebook group if you have questions about your haplogroup because many guys there are z5009:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EM81...tGroupEnglish/

[Ibericus]

Does anyone know how to interpret y-str results within this clade? I have noticed there almost no DYS458=19 in Spain, but there seem to be plenty from Algeria to the east.

Iberia: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

Libya: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

[Farroukh]

The first rule of Fight Club is: order BigY700. The second rule of Fight Club is: order bam-file. Third rule of Fight Club: upload your bam to Yfull.com
(Tyler Durden. Fight Club)

[capsian]

great post
if was people Maghreb countries did more tests Y-big and upload in Y-full will be see most sample from Maghreb countries

[Imesmouden]

I'm E-Z5009

E-Z5009 > E-FT31300

My origins is from South West Morocco (Chichaoua region)

[Squad]

Z5009 is the most common M81 subclade in Morocco. You can say it is the marker of the big berber tribal confederation, the Iznaguen (Sanhaja).

[capsian]

Z5009 is the most common M81 subclade in Morocco. You can say it is the marker of the big berber tribal confederation, the Iznaguen (Sanhaja).

yes sure branch E-Z5009 is most in Morocco but find also in tribes Masmuda

[Imesmouden]

Z5009 is the most common M81 subclade in Morocco. You can say it is the marker of the big berber tribal confederation, the Iznaguen (Sanhaja).

Sanhaja and Masmuda

[Squad]

I don't know if the masmuda really belonged to z5009. Masmuda was said to be an old confederation so i would expect them to belong to a different line. Z5009 found among shluh in southern Morocco today is probably of sanhajan derivation. Notice how among the Sahraoui only 20% of their m81 belongs to z5009. Thats because even though they technically belong to sanhajan tribes, it is likely that they are in fact mostly descendants of masmuda tribes. I would thus suspect the masmuda to belong to various rarer lines. This makes sense especially when taking into account that they're considered older than the other big confederations. Ive also seen somewhere that A2227 has a strong presence in the Souss