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Thread: E-Z5009 (E-M183): From the the Maghreb to Europe and the New World

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squad View Post
    No bro, North African Arabs are mostly Berbers with some arabian admixture, that's it. Let's get over this bro c'mon. E-L19 is IBM too, you can't say that IBM are only M78 just because 5 samples from a single location were found to be M78. L19 is clearly IBM as well, as evidenced by PF2431's ancient diffusion, from Gambia to Europe to Chad.

    By the way, E-L19 originates in the horn. The most divergent L19 sample I've ever seen is a kenyan Borana and I'm 100% confident that he would push the TMRCA of L19 to 20 000 years or something.
    There are 2 samples new under haplgroup E-Z21068 From Egypt and algeria and sample from study Boattini et al. 2013
    most likelyunder E-Z21068* or E-P2431*

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingBull View Post
    Reguibis: 48 out of 60, 80% of the population. Source: Bekada et al. 2013.
    Hassanis: 105 out of 189, 55% of the population. Source: Bekada et al. 2014.
    Idrisis: 69* out of 136, 50.73% of the population. Source: Idrisid Tribes Project.
    Arabs from Djerba: 44 out of 47, 93.6% of the population. Source: Manni et al 2005.
    Arabs from El Hayez: 10 out of 35, 28.6% of the population. Source: Kujanova et al. 2009. Meanwhile, Egyptians Berbers: 1 out of 93, 1.1% of the population. Source: Dugoujon et al. 2009.
    Arabs from Morocco: 23 out of 44, 52.3% of the population. Source: Bosch et al. 2001.

    *not all are under E-M81, but most are




    are these the arabs you are talking about?
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    8.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    7.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.4 Iran_Neolithic
    5.0 SSA


    Paternal Haplogroup == Hidden Content == YF80557

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingBull View Post
    Reguibis: 48 out of 60, 80% of the population. Source: Bekada et al. 2013.
    Hassanis: 105 out of 189, 55% of the population. Source: Bekada et al. 2014.
    Idrisis: 69* out of 136, 50.73% of the population. Source: Idrisid Tribes Project.
    Arabs from Djerba: 44 out of 47, 93.6% of the population. Source: Manni et al 2005.
    Arabs from El Hayez: 10 out of 35, 28.6% of the population. Source: Kujanova et al. 2009. Meanwhile, Egyptians Berbers: 1 out of 93, 1.1% of the population. Source: Dugoujon et al. 2009.
    Arabs from Morocco: 23 out of 44, 52.3% of the population. Source: Bosch et al. 2001.

    *not all are under E-M81, but most are
    Alright how about this

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    Paternal Haplogroup == Hidden Content == YF80557

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    You know the end of this discussion is fruitful when one side of the conversation thinks the people currently living in the Levant are "Zagrosian"/European pretenders who appropriated the language of the ancient inhabitants of the region, and then proceeds to link them with the Hurro-Urartian language.
    Not only that, at first he ties E-M81 with the Phoenicians, and now it came with the Arab expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imesmouden View Post
    Alright how about this

    Jradou is an Arab village, its inhabitants are Jlassis. Bou Omran and Bou Saad are likewise Arab villages, and settled by Hamama. Chenini-Douiret and Sened are indeed Berber villages but they received many waves of Bedouins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingBull View Post
    Jradou is an Arab village, its inhabitants are Jlassis. Bou Omran and Bou Saad are likewise Arab villages, and settled by Hamama. Chenini-Douiret and Sened are indeed Berber villages but they received many waves of Bedouins.
    And again



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    Quote Originally Posted by Imesmouden View Post
    And again



    All these studies are old. The current scientific consensus is that E-M81 carriers are either of Phoenician or Arab origin:


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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingBull View Post
    All these studies are old. The current scientific consensus is that E-M81 carriers are either of Phoenician or Arab origin:

    lol Your novel is ridiculous, do not mess with science you are the grandson of Moroccan soldiers or merchants who went to the Middle East. The debate is over
    Who are you to change the facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingBull View Post
    All these studies are old. The current scientific consensus is that E-M81 carriers are either of Phoenician or Arab origin:
    You are just dunking on yourself now. The highlighted segment here literally begins with "a previous study suggested" while just by the end of the very same paragraph the authors come to the conclusion that all the evidence "suggests a local origin of E-M183 in NW Africa."

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    Quote Originally Posted by leorcooper19 View Post
    You are just dunking on yourself now. The highlighted segment here literally begins with "a previous study suggested" while just by the end of the very same paragraph the authors come to the conclusion that all the evidence "suggests a local origin of E-M183 in NW Africa."
    You forgot the last part: Regarding E-M183 as mentioned above, we cannot discard an expansion from the Near East, and if so, according to our time estimates, it could have been brought by the Islamic expansion on the 7th century, but definitely not the Neolithic expansion, which appeared in NW Africa -7400 BP and may have featured a strong Epipaleolithic persistence. Moreover, such a recent appearance of E-M183 in NW Africa would fit with the pattern observed in the rest of the genome, where an extensive male-biased Near Eastern admixture event is registered -1300 ya, coincidental with the Arab expansion.

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